The Life of Try: Personal growth, one try at a time.

What does it take to create “lift” in our work, leadership, creativity, and personal growth? In this episode of The Life of Try, host Wynne Leon talks with Bruce Dorey, PhD, mechanical engineer, coach, and author of Lift and A Whole New Way to Work, about how we learn, lead, mentor, and keep honing our craft in a rapidly changing world.Bruce shares why leadership, like aerodynamic lift, doesn’t exist inside one person alone—it happens at the intersection of a person and their environment. Together, Wynne and Bruce explore the importance of mentorship, craftsmanship, and passing down hard-won wisdom from one generation to the next. They discuss why modern workplaces often lose the beauty of the master-apprentice model, and how reclaiming that spirit can help us become better leaders, teachers, collaborators, and human beings.The conversation also dives into the role of AI, augmented reality, virtual reality, and immersive technology in productivity, creativity, flow, and resilience. Bruce explains how tools like AI can help us capture tribal knowledge, reflect on our work, build better habits, and continue improving our craft without needing a formal guild or large support system. He also shares how VR can support rest, reset, awe, play, focus, and a deeper sense of connection.From the Miracle on the Hudson to mountain climbing, from craftsmanship to the gig economy, this episode is a thoughtful conversation about leadership development, personal growth, mentorship, technology, awe, and the courage to keep trying.If you’re interested in how to become a better mentor, build resilience, use technology more intentionally, find flow, overcome burnout, or create more meaning in your work, this episode offers practical inspiration and a new way to think about growth.

In this episode of The Life of Try, Wynne Leon talks with brand strategist Nancy Martira of Clew Strategy about how to market yourself, promote your work, and build a personal brand without losing your humanity.

Nancy helps expert-led businesses, authors, job seekers, and knowledge-based professionals find what makes them impossible to ignore. Together, Wynne and Nancy explore the difference between brand and reputation, the “say-do gap” between what we claim and how people experience us, and why authentic personal branding begins with believing you have something of real value to offer.

This conversation is especially helpful for writers, creators, entrepreneurs, and professionals who feel uncomfortable with self-promotion. Nancy offers a practical and compassionate reframe: instead of trying to be everywhere or shouting into every algorithm, go where you’re wanted. Find the people who are already looking for what you have to give.

Wynne and Nancy also talk about finding your unique value proposition, identifying your “iconic space,” using storytelling in book marketing and job searches, and navigating AI tools without sacrificing your voice, ethics, or originality. Nancy’s approach to brand strategy is deeply human, clear, and encouraging — perfect for anyone trying to become more visible while staying true to themselves.

If you’ve ever wondered how to market a book, promote your business, refresh your LinkedIn profile, stand out in a crowded job market, or build a personal brand that feels authentic, this episode will help you think more clearly about reputation, positioning, storytelling, and the courage to be seen.

Key Takeaways

• Marketing works better when you go where you’re wanted. Instead of trying to be everywhere, focus on the audiences already looking for what you offer—readers, clients, employers, or communities who are most likely to value your work.

• Find your iconic space. The goal isn’t just to list credentials or follow a formula. It’s to discover the unique value, story, and perspective that only you can bring.

• Use AI as a tool, not a substitute for voice. Technology can help with SEO, titles, and tactics, but the strategy, values, and humanity behind your work need to come from you.

What if the reason you feel stuck isn’t a lack of discipline, strategy, or ambition—but an outdated identity you’ve outgrown? In this episode of The Life of Try, host Wynne Leon talks with Kevin Yoder, creator of Infinite U, about identity-first transformation and why lasting personal growth begins with who we believe we are becoming.Kevin brings more than two decades of experience in real estate, leadership, coaching, and personal development to a powerful conversation about self-image, paradigms, confidence ceilings, income ceilings, and the invisible patterns that keep capable people from reaching their next level. Together, Wynne and Kevin explore the question he learned from Bob Proctor—“How are your results?”—and how honest awareness can open the door to meaningful change.If you’ve ever started strong and stalled out, felt like you had “weights around your ankles,” or wondered why the next version of your life still feels just out of reach, this episode offers a hopeful, practical look at how to begin again from the inside out. Listen for insights on identity transformation, personal growth, self-concept, mindset, attitude, and building a life that reflects who you are ready to become.Key Takeaways• Lasting change begins with identity: the way we see ourselves often shapes what we believe is possible, more than strategy alone.• Invisible ceilings—around confidence, income, consistency, or growth—can point to outdated self-image patterns that are ready to be examined.• The question “How are your results?” offers a simple but powerful way to practice honesty, awareness, and intentional transformation.• Attitude becomes the bridge between belief and behavior when our thoughts, words, feelings, and actions become more aligned with who we are trying to become.

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What makes a story truly relatable? In this episode of The Life of Try, Wynne Leon explores how the smallest moments in life can become the most powerful stories — from a beloved Seattle raccoon named Jimothy to a little boy celebrating soccer goals with his grandmother. Through humor, heart, and the idea of narrative transportation, this episode looks at why specific, human stories help us feel seen, connected, and inspired to keep trying.If you’ve ever wondered how to tell better stories about everyday life, how to make your experiences more meaningful, or why small moments can carry big emotional truth, this episode is for you.Key takeaways:• Relatable stories often begin with small, specific moments rather than big life lessons.• Details help listeners see, feel, and remember a story.• Everyday stories can reveal courage, connection, confidence, and support.• The most powerful stories do not need to be perfect — they need to be honest and human.• Living The Life of Try means celebrating small wins, showing up for each other, and trying again from wherever we are.

When a plan goes wrong, how do you stay calm, resilient, and brave enough to keep trying?

In this episode of The Life of Try, Wynne Leon shares the story of a chaotic family travel day from Paris to England—missed trains, wrong directions, tired kids, unexpected costs, and the kind of uncertainty that can make anyone want to give up.

Through this real-life story, Wynne explores how adaptability, creative problem-solving, gratitude, and “one next step” thinking can help us recover when our best-laid plans fall apart.

Inspired by Professor Angus Fletcher’s work on resilience and alternative plans, this episode is for anyone navigating change, setbacks, anxiety, mishaps, or the messy middle of trying something new.

Listen in for a warm, honest reminder that trying does not require certainty—it only asks for movement, one breath and one new plan at a time.

📚 Topics Covered

• Personal Growth

• Self Improvement

• Building Courage

• Motivation

• Taking Action

• Making Plans

• Overcoming Fear

• Growth Mindset

• Resilience

• Opportunity Creation

• Gratitude

• Life Lessons

• Personal Development

• Inspirational Storytelling

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In this episode of The Life of Try, host Wynne Leon talks with Wall Street Journal bestselling author Barbara Nickless about her new psychological suspense novel, A Voice in the Dark.

Their conversation moves from the dark corners of online gaming and internet manipulation to the real-world vulnerabilities of teenagers, families, and people searching for belonging.

Barbara shares how deep research, FBI consultants, and her own curiosity shape her fiction, especially as she writes about FBI profiler Helen Belle, criminal humanist Benedict Hoffman, addiction, trauma, and the question of what draws people toward danger.

This thoughtful author interview explores how storytelling can help us understand complicated human experiences, including moral injury, PTSD, addiction, grief, law enforcement, cybercrime, and the healing power of writing. Barbara also reflects on teaching writing to military veterans

and civilians, researching dangerous places and difficult subjects, and using narrative to “de-other” people we might otherwise misunderstand.

Key Takeaways:

→A Voice in the Dark explores the dangers young people can face in online communities, especially when vulnerable teens and young adults are targeted by manipulative influencers.

→Storytelling can help us “de-other” people by taking us inside their motivations, histories, and struggles in ways that facts and news stories alone often cannot.

→Curiosity is at the heart of Barbara Nickless’s writing process. Her research into online gaming, FBI investigations, addiction, trauma, and moral injury helps make her fiction vivid, compassionate, and grounded in real human experience.→Researching modern crime fiction requires balancing accuracy with readability, particularly when writing about cybercrime, AI, online manipulation, and evolving law enforcement tools.

→The conversation highlights a core Life of Try theme: trying begins with curiosity, openness, and a willingness to enter unfamiliar worlds in order to understand ourselves and one another more deeply.

If you love conversations about books, personal growth, curiosity, crime fiction, psychological thrillers, resilience, and what it means to keep trying, this episode offers a rich and compassionate look at the stories that help us make sense of ourselves and one another.

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ABOUT ME

Hi, I’m Wynne Leon — host of The Life of Try, a personal growth and self-improvement podcast exploring resilience, reinvention, uncertainty, and the courage to keep trying.

Through thoughtful interviews, reflective conversations, and real-life stories, I share insights to help you navigate change, get unstuck, and move forward with more intention.

Are you waiting for easy? Here's a formula to get you moving!

In this episode of The Life of Try, Wynne Leon shares a personal story about turning a long-held dream of visiting friends in France into a real-life adventure through courage, creativity, and community support. What began as an expensive and seemingly impossible trip became an opportunity to rent out her home, ask for help, and take the next step before the whole path was clear.

This motivational personal growth episode explores what it means to stop waiting for perfect timing, listen to the quiet tug of what matters, and move forward even when life feels uncertain. Through stories about Airbnb, travel logistics, helpful neighbors, pet care, and unexpected solutions, Wynne reflects on the powerful formula: Motive + Means = Opportunity.

Listeners will come away with memorable takeaways about taking the first step, paying attention to the sparks around them, saying their dreams out loud, accepting support, and trusting that the path often appears one step at a time.

Key take-aways for this episode:

→ Don’t wait for easy—move because it matters. The right time may never arrive, but meaningful goals often begin with one brave first step.

→ Pay attention to the sparks. A casual comment, a book passage, a flyer, or someone else’s story can become part of the solution once you start moving.

→ Say the dream out loud. People can’t support a goal they don’t know about, so communicate what you’re trying to do and be willing to accept help.

→ Use the formula: Motive + Means = Opportunity. When your why meets the resources, people, and ideas already around you, new possibilities begin to unfold.

→ Take the next step, not the whole staircase. You don’t need to solve every problem in advance; you only need to meet the next real step in front of you.

If you’re looking for encouragement to get unstuck, try something new, pursue a meaningful goal, or find courage in the messy middle, this episode offers inspiration, practical wisdom, and a reminder that you don’t need to see the whole staircase to begin.

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What does real support actually look like—especially when someone is struggling, failing, or figuring things out?

In this episode of The Life of Try, Wynne Leon explores how to support others without adding pressure, and why focusing on effort instead of outcome can make all the difference.

Whether you’re a parent, coach, friend, or teammate, it’s easy to unintentionally turn encouragement into expectations. But research—and stories from figures like John Wooden and Carol Dweck—show that when we shift our focus to effort, persistence, and growth, we help people stay in the process longer and build real resilience.

This episode dives into: → Why it’s often harder to watch someone try than to try ourselves → How subtle signals can create pressure without us realizing it → The difference between encouragement and expectation → How to support kids, friends, and colleagues in a way that builds confidence and persistence → Practical ways to reinforce effort, not just resultsIf you’ve ever wondered how to truly support someone you care about—especially when things aren’t going well—this episode offers a powerful reframe.

When should we celebrate progress—only at the finish line, or all along the way?

In this episode of The Life of Try, Wynne Leon explores the power of small wins, tiny habits, and incremental progress. Drawing from a personal story about preparing her home for an Airbnb experiment during the World Cup in Seattle, Wynne reflects on what it means to keep going when growth is messy, nonlinear, and full of setbacks.

Along the way, she connects insights from BJ Fogg, creator of Tiny Habits and director of Stanford’s Behavior Design Lab, with the long-term philosophy of Toyota’s Kaizen culture, where small daily improvements add up over time, and the practical courage found in the checklist mindset associated with Captain Sullenberger.

This episode is about personal growth, habit formation, celebrating small victories, and learning to recognize that progress doesn’t have to be dramatic to matter.In this episode, we discuss:

→ Why celebrating small wins can help you stay motivated even when progress feels slow or messy

→ How BJ Fogg’s Tiny Habits approach shows that tiny celebrations can reinforce lasting behavior change

→ What Toyota’s Kaizen philosophy teaches about the long-term power of small, consistent improvements

→ How checklists and small-step courage can help you keep going when you feel overwhelmed or stuck

→ Why growth often looks nonlinear, and how to recognize progress before the final result arrives

→ How honoring effort along the way can help you build resilience, confidence, and momentum

In this episode of Life of Try, Wynne Leon sits downwith Mike Rucker, PhD, organizational psychologist, behavioral scientist, and author of The Fun Habit: How the Pursuit of Joy and Wonder Can Change Your Life, for a thoughtful conversation about why fun is not frivolous—it’sessential.

Together, they explore the science of fun, the difference between happiness and joy, and how intentional habits, agency, and small “pattern interrupts” can help adults reclaim wonder in everyday life.

If you’re interested in personal growth, positive psychology, work-life balance, burnout recovery, parenting, and building a more meaningful life, this episode offers practical ideas you can use right away.

If you’re looking for practical self-improvement ideas, more energy, better well-being, and a fresh perspective on happiness vs. joy, this conversation offers actionable insights you can start using right away.

Expectations can inspire us to try—until they harden into a demand for a specific outcome. In this episode of The Life of Try, Wynne Leon explores how unmet expectations fuel disappointment, why that disappointment can keep us from taking healthy risks, and what it looks like to stay hopeful without clinging.

From a childhood lesson about “pressing for the answer” to Alexander Fleming’s accidental discovery of penicillin, we’ll trace how openness, curiosity, and faith can turn apparent failures into forward motion.

Along the way, we’ll draw from Brené Brown’s research on disappointment, Maya Shankar’s reframing of identity after loss, and spiritual wisdom about surrender and non‑attachment—so you can keep trying even when the path changes.

In this episode, you’ll learn how to:

• Recognize when expectations are motivating you—and when they’re setting you up for disappointment
• Practice openness and curiosity when a try doesn’t go as planned (and why that matters)
• Name and communicate your expectations to reduce “unspoken contracts”
• Reconnect with your deeper “why” when your “what” gets taken away
• Hold onto faith that trying will lead somewhere good—even if it’s not the destination you imagined.

The Life of Try is a podcast about personal growth, one try at a time.

What happens when trying becomes more important thangetting it right?

The Life of Try is a personal growth and self‑help podcast about getting unstuck, navigating uncertainty, and choosing to try—even when it’s uncomfortable, inconvenient, or not your idea.

Hosted by Wynne Leon, the show explores how real growth, reinvention, and discovery often begin not with confidence orclarity—but with a single attempt. Through thoughtful interviews, reflective conversations, and real‑world case studies, each episode examines what it looks like to keep going when doubt shows up, plans fall apart, or life forces achange you didn’t ask for.

This podcast is for anyone who:

• Feels stuck or uncertain about what’s next
• Is navigating change, burnout, or reinvention
• Wants to live more intentionally without pretending growth is easy
• Believes progress starts by trying—again and again

The Life of Try isn’t about hustle or perfection. It’s about learning as you go, surfacing what matters, and sharing what you discover along the way.

If you’re ready to surf the uncertainty, outlast the doubts, and step into your own try‑cycle, you’re in the right place.

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If you’ve been saying “someday I’ll write a book” for years,this episode is your push to begin—and your roadmap to keep going. Host Wynne Leon talks with Dr. Victoria Atkinson about the mindset, support, and creative courage it took to turn a long-held idea into a finished, soon-to-be-publishednovel.

Vicki’s new novel, Slivers, is set during a single week in the summer of 1973, when a quiet suburban neighborhood begins to crack under the weight of generational secrets—and an otherworldly presence that refuses to be ignored. Along the way, Vicki shares how unexpected family history research helped fuel the story, and why community feedback can be the difference between starting a draft and finishing a book.

• How gratitude and loss can become creative fuel
• What helps writers move from intention to action—and from draft to done
• Why writing fiction requires a different “writer brain” than memoir or academic work
• How genealogy and family stories can deepen your characters and plot
• The role of community, readers, and a publisher in staying the course

The Life of Try is a personal growth and self‑helppodcast about getting unstuck, navigating uncertainty, and choosing to try—even when it’s uncomfortable, inconvenient, or not your idea.

Hosted by Wynne Leon, the show explores how real growth, reinvention, and discovery often begin not with confidence orclarity—but with a single attempt. Through thoughtful interviews, reflective conversations, and real‑world case studies, each episode examines what it looks like to keep going when doubt shows up, plans fall apart, or life forces achange you didn’t ask for.

This podcast is for anyone who:

• Feels stuck or uncertain about what’s next
• Is navigating change, burnout, or reinvention
• Wants to live more intentionally without pretending growth is easy
• Believes progress starts by trying—again and again

The Life of Try isn’t about hustle or perfection. It’s about learning as you go, surfacing what matters, and sharing what you discover along the way.

If you’re ready to surf the uncertainty, outlast the doubts, and step into your own try‑cycle, you’re in the right place.

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How do you know when to stop trying—especially when you’re someone who prides yourself on perseverance?

In this episode of The Life of Try, Wynne Leon explores the moments when quitting isn’t failure, but wisdom: when our efforts are overly controlled, when something deep inside says “it’s time,” or when passion turns obsessive and starts costing more than it gives. Along the way, she draws lessons from Marion Jones, Olympic figure skater Alysa Liu, Oprah Winfrey, and Andre Agassi, plus insights on harmoniousvs. obsessive passion.

If you’re wrestling with whether to push through or letgo, this conversation offers language, perspective, and permission to choose what’s healthy—and what’s next.

The Life of Try podcast: Personal growth, one try at a time.

What happens when trying becomes more important thangetting it right?

The Life of Try is a personal growth and self‑help podcast about getting unstuck, navigating uncertainty, and choosing to try—even when it’s uncomfortable, inconvenient, or not your idea.

Hosted by Wynne Leon, the show explores how real growth, reinvention, and discovery often begin not with confidence or clarity—but with a single attempt. Through thoughtful interviews, reflective conversations, and real‑world case studies, each episode examines what it looks like to keep going when doubt shows up, plans fall apart, or life forces a change you didn’t ask for.

This podcast is for anyone who:

• Feels stuck or uncertain about what’s next
• Is navigating change, burnout, or reinvention
• Wants to live intentionally without pretending growth is easy
• Believes progress starts by trying - again and again

The Life of Try isn’t about hustle or perfection. It’s about learning as you go, surfacing what matters, and sharing what you discover along the way.

If you’re ready to surf the uncertainty, outlast the doubts, and step into your own try‑cycle, you’re in the right place.

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What happens when you say “yes” to an adventure? Host Wynne Leon talks with tech entrepreneur and author Michael Yang about his memoir Coming Alive on the Ride and the way motorcycle travel became both a literal journey and a powerful metaphor for personal growth. Michael shares how stepping outside your familiar environment can help you hear “life’s invitation” to dream, venture, and rediscover what makes you feel fully awake.

Together they explore resilience through the Korean concept of han—the accumulated weight of difficult circumstances—and how setbacks can become fuel for perseverance. Michael reflects on immigrating from Korea at 14, building a life through gratitude and hard work, and learning (again and again) that rejection doesn’t have to be the end of the story.

From riding thousands of miles with a lifelong friend to a memorable run-in with Steve Jobs at Macy’s in 1982, Michael’s stories remind us that courage grows through companionship and curiosity. They also discuss the Korean guiding philosophy of Hongik—living in a way that benefits all humankind—and how our bravest tries can ripple outward in ways we may not expect.

In this episode, we cover:

• Why “accepting the invitation” is simple—but the road rarely runs straight
• How to tell the difference between healthy risk and avoidable danger
• Han, perseverance, and turning setbacks into strength
• The immigrant mindset: gratitude, effort, and going for opportunity
• Friendship as a confidence builder—on the road and in life
• Curiosity, rejection, and holding onto a vision (plus the Steve Jobs story)
• Hongik: living for the wider benefit and making a positive dent in the world

Whether you’re craving a literal road trip or a fresh start at home, this conversation will nudge you toward your next brave yes.

The Life of Try is a personal growth and self‑help podcast about getting unstuck, navigating uncertainty, and choosing to try—even when it’s uncomfortable, inconvenient, or not your idea.

Hosted by Wynne Leon, the show explores how real growth, reinvention, and discovery often begin not with confidence or clarity—but with a single attempt. Through thoughtful interviews, reflective conversations, and real‑world case studies, each episode examines what it looks like to keep going when doubt shows up, plans fall apart, or life forces a change you didn’t ask for.

This podcast is for anyone who:

• Feels stuck or uncertain about what’s next
• Is navigating change, burnout, or reinvention
• Wants to live more intentionally without pretending growth is easy
• Believes progress starts by trying—again and again

The Life of Try isn’t about hustle or perfection. It’s about learning as you go, surfacing what matters, and sharing what you discover along the way.

If you’re ready to surf the uncertainty, outlast the doubts, and step into your own try‑cycle, you’re in the right place.

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Feeling stuck? This episode of The Life of Try uses the story of Thomas Edison to reframe progress: not as one perfect breakthrough, but as a steady practice of continuing to try. Behind the famous light bulb moment is a mindset of learning from what doesn’t work, building momentum through small improvements, and staying in motion long enough for your next step to appear.

You’ll hear five practical lessons—be systematic, don’t do it alone, keep improving, apply what you learn across areas, and rest (yes, naps count)—plus a bonus insight on the tension between creativity and control. If you’re working on a project, a habit change, or a long-shot goal, this conversation is an invitation to get unstuck by taking the next try.

• Get unstuck by focusing on the next controllable step
• Make progress through iteration—small wins that compound over time
• Keep going with support, structure, and rest
• Create more, control less

The Life of Try is a personal growth and self‑help podcast about getting unstuck, navigating uncertainty, and choosing to try—even when it’s uncomfortable, inconvenient, or not your idea.

Hosted by Wynne Leon, the show explores how real growth, reinvention, and discovery often begin not with confidence or clarity—but with a single attempt. Through thoughtful interviews, reflective conversations, and real‑world case studies, each episode examines what it looks like to keep going when doubt shows up, plans fall apart, or life forces a change you didn’t ask for.

This podcast is for anyone who:

• Feels stuck or uncertain about what’s next
• Is navigating change, burnout, or reinvention
• Wants to live more intentionally without pretending growth is easy
• Believes progress starts by trying—again and again

The Life of Try isn’t about hustle or perfection. It’s about learning as you go, surfacing what matters, and sharing what you discover along the way.

If you’re ready to surf the uncertainty, outlast the doubts, and step into your own try‑cycle, you’re in the right place.

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What if “trying” doesn’t have to mean pushing harder?

In this episode, host Wynne Leon talks with author and New York Insight Meditation Center co-founder Joseph Schmidt about The Torchbearer—a collection of short stories born from an unexpectedly effortless creative process. Together they explore the mindset shift from effort to openness:how letting go of the agenda can create space for insight, transformation, and a deeper, more alive way of meeting each moment.

• Try smarter, not harder: why forcing outcomes can block creativity—and what changes when you partner with the process instead.
• Mindset shift to “empty hands”: Joseph’s Zen chaplaincy training and the practice of entering a room (or a moment) without an agenda.
• Personal growth through discovery: how his characters—and we as readers—find the next move by noticing what’s already here.
• Feeling alive at the edge of the unknown: mindfulness as the place where consciousness meets what happens next.
• Belonging as a practice: building a bond of belonging by showing up with curiosity, care, and presence.

If you’ve been working hard but feeling flat, this conversation is an invitation to loosen your grip, step back into the present, and discover a more natural flow—one where growth comes from attention, not strain. Listen in for a gentler (and often more powerful) way to create, connect, and keep beginning again.

Perfect for you if:you’re craving a mindset reset, rebuilding your creative confidence, deepening a mindfulness practice, or simply want to feel more awake and engaged in your everyday life.

The Life of Try is a personal growth and self‑help podcast about getting unstuck, navigating uncertainty, and choosing to try—even when it’s uncomfortable, inconvenient, or not your idea.

Hosted by Wynne Leon, the show explores how realgrowth, reinvention, and discovery often begin not with confidence or clarity—but with a single attempt. Through thoughtful interviews, reflective conversations, and real‑world case studies, each episode examines what it lookslike to keep going when doubt shows up, plans fall apart, or life forces a change you didn’t ask for.

This podcast is for anyone who:

• Feels stuck or uncertain about what's next
• Is navigating change, burnout, or reinvention
• Wants to live more intentionally without pretending that growth is easy
• Believes (or wants to believe) progress starts by trying - again and again

The Life of Try isn’t about hustle or perfection.It’s about learning as you go, surfacing what matters, and sharing what you discover along the way.

If you’re ready to surf the uncertainty, outlast the doubts, and step into your own try‑cycle, you’re in the right place.

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This episode features host Wynne Leon with a brand-new segment that “reverse engineers” what world-class trying really looks like. Our case study: professional climber Alex Honnold, whose headline-making feats—from free soloing El Capitan in Yosemite to scaling Taipei 101 this January—offer a masterclass in what it takes to attempt the extraordinary.

We’ll break down the real ingredients behind self-improvement, personal growth and big outcomes: preparation, learning from others, and staying steady through setbacks—and how those same principles apply to the goals of re-invention we’re chasing every day. Whether you’re gearing up to speak in public, throw a pitch, or learn a new song, you can borrow these lessons and put them to work in your own try-cycle.

This is The Life of Try—the podcast where innovation, reinvention, personal growth, and discovery begin with one simple choice: to try. Even when it’s uncomfortable. Even when you’d rather not. Even when life makes the decision for you.

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In this episode, Vicki Atkinson and Wynne Leon talk with Wayne Runde. Wayne is an author, physician and veteran US Navy Commander.

Wayne tells us about his book, Shadow of the Deceiver, the third installment in The Genesis Trust series. We hear about why he was called to start writing even with his busy schedule and a fascinating set of hobbies.

We ask about the intersection of science, morality and humanity that is a cornerstone for his writing and stories. Wayne tell us where he finds inspirations for characters from his professional life and his personal interactions within his church community.

This is a great episode with an author that has re-imagined a sci-fi classic through a meaningful lens. We know you’ll love it.

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In this conversation, Sam Daley-Harris talks with Wynne Leon and Vicki Atkinson and unpacks how transformational advocacy fits alongside other forms of activism like protests, litigation, and voter mobilization—and why it can succeed even when Washington seems paralyzed by shutdowns and partisan conflict.

Sam shares some concrete examples from global health and environmental advocacy, offer insight into how citizens are working to reverse damage and protect the most vulnerable, and—perhaps most importantly—explain how anyone can be effective, even with just five to fifteen minutes a day. If you’ve ever wondered whether your voice can really matter, this conversation offers both clarity and hope. And Sam offers to be a guide to help you connect to the issues that matter most for you.

We love talking with Sam because he shares how to be effective and counter the effects of fear, cynicism and loneliness. We know you’ll love this conversation!

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This episode is different – because Wynne Leonis a guest on the What Do You Know To Be True? podcast with the brilliant host and producer, Roger Kastner.

What Do You Know To Be True? features conversationsat the intersection of leadership, neuroscience, belonging, and personal growth—inviting guests to explore the truths that shape how they lead and live.

Roger is a master at getting his guests to reveal theirsuperpower. Watching this episode reminded me how skillful Roger is at digging into the heart of what I know to be true.

In my case, my superpower is trying. In this conversation,Roger and I talk about:

• How Wynne's electrical engineering background helped develop her superpower
• Why trying is different than persistence
• How mountain climbing helped shape and shift Wynne's ability to try
• What her system is for creating order when trying
• How trying helps keep us from being stuck
• How documenting what we've tried helps us to pass on the learning to others

So, please go to What Do You Know to Be True and listen tothis episode. And subscribe – because Roger has so many fantastic conversations that helps us dig into our superpowers, share them – and thrive!

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Author and Architect Mario Cartaya sits down with Wynne Leon to share his emotional journey back to Cuba after 56 years, exploring memories, family separation, and the hope for reconciliation. Discover how revisiting childhood roots can bring peace and understanding.

Key Topics

• Mario's traumatic departure from Cuba in 1960
• The vault of childhood memories and their significance
• Revisiting childhood homes and places in Cuba
• The impact of family separation and diaspora
• The historic friendship between the US and Cuba from 1860-1960
• Mario's current project on US-Cuba relations

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In this episode, Wynne Leon interviews Anthony Dyer, a special missions aviator and author of 'Moon Child.' They discuss Anthony's journey from a childhood in Appalachia to a 20-year career in the US Air Force, his healing process from the traumas of war through writing, and the importance of family in his life.

Anthony shares valuable life lessons learned from aviation, the significance of positivity, and his mission as a father. The conversation emphasizes courage, connection, and the power of storytelling in healing.

Takeaways

• Anthony chose writing over alcohol to heal from trauma.
• The importance of aviate, navigate, communicate in life.
• Healing can come from vulnerability and sharing stories.
• Family plays a crucial role in personal healing.
• God can help you rebuild after trauma.
• Scars are badges of honor, representing resilience.
• Conversations with God can lead to personal growth.
• Fatherhood is Anthony's most important mission now.
• Roots and wings symbolize balance in life.

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In this engaging conversation, Roger Kastner shares with Wynne Leon his journey of aligning heart and mind, exploring the concept of superpowers and purpose, and the importance of curiosity and empathy in personal and professional growth.

Roger discusses the role of frameworks in creating thriving workplaces, the significance of connection and sharing, and the exploration of joy amidst grief. The conversation also touches on the impact of AI on human creativity and the future of the podcast as it expands to include diverse voices and experiences.

Takeaways

• Heart and mind alignment is essential for personal growth.
• Superpowers are connected to our purpose in life.
• Curiosity and empathy are key themes in discovering our superpowers.
• Creating frameworks helps individuals and teams thrive.
• Connection with others enhances our ability to share our superpowers.
• Joy is accessible even in challenging times.
• Grief and joy are interconnected emotions.
• AI can handle probabilities, but humans excel in exploring possibilities.
• Expanding conversations beyond our comfort zones enriches our understanding.
• Sharing knowledge and experiences fosters community and growth.

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In this episode, author and educator Andrea Simon talks with Wynne Leon about her novel 'Did You Live the Life You Wanted?' which explores themes of perspective, regret, and the meaning of life through the lens of female friendships and personal experiences.

The conversation delves into the differences in how men and women perceive their life choices, the challenges of writing about family, and the evolution of storytelling in the digital age. Andrea shares insights from her own life and the lives of others, emphasizing the importance of self-discovery and the impact of friendships on shaping our lives.

Takeaways

• The novel spans 50 years, highlighting female friendships.
• Writing about family requires sensitivity and respect.
• Men and women often have different perspectives on life choices.
• Older women may feel they had fewer options in their careers.
• Photography has evolved, changing how we capture moments.
• Female friendships provide essential support throughout life.
• Regret can lead to personal growth and new opportunities.
• Teaching later in life can be more fulfilling than expected.
• Understanding characters' motivations enhances storytelling.
• It's important to pursue personal desires as we age.

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In this episode of How to Share, host Wynne Leon interviews social psychologist and writer Anne Beall about her book, The Compassionate Writer. They discuss the importance of compassion in writing, exploring the four pillars: compassion for ourselves, for others, for the reader, and throughout the writing process.

Anne shares her journey from academia to founding a literary journal, and how her unique perspective shapes her writing. The conversation also delves into the psychological aspects of storytelling, practical exercises for writers, and the reframing of fairy tales to uncover deeper meanings.

Takeaways

• Compassion is essential for effective storytelling.
• Understanding our own narratives requires empathy.
• Writers should be gentle with themselves during the process.
• Compassion for the reader enhances engagement.
• Psychological biases affect how we perceive our writing.
• Different learning styles require varied teaching methods.
• Visualizations can aid in the writing process.
• Fairy tales often reflect societal values and biases.
• Seeing stories from multiple perspectives enriches writing.
• The tone of writing can create a more relatable experience.

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In this episode of How to Share, hosts Wynne Leon and Vicki Atkinson engage with author Gloria Golec about her memoir, South Side Memories.

The conversation explores themes of family, immigrant experiences, and the power of storytelling. Gloria shares insights on how her Polish heritage and family dynamics shaped her identity and writing journey.

The discussion emphasizes the importance of preserving personal narratives, the emotional connections that come from sharing stories, and provides the inspiration for writing our own stories.

Takeaways

• The book is a reflection of the American dream and immigrant experiences.
• Storytelling helps maintain connections to roots and loved ones.
• Writing can be a therapeutic process for personal growth.
• Family dynamics, especially gender roles, play a significant role in shaping identity.
• Cherished memories can provide clarity and understanding of past relationships.
• Cultural heritage is often intertwined with food traditions and family gatherings.
• Teaching experiences can influence one's writing and storytelling approach.
• Writing a memoir can be an emotional journey that brings past relationships closer.
• Encouragement to start writing by focusing on one story at a time.
• Sharing stories can inspire others and create a sense of community.

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In this episode of 'How to Share', hosts Wynne Leon andVicki Atkinson engage with author Marc Ross about his latest geopolitical thriller, 'Attacking the Dragon'. The conversation delves into the book's plot, which revolves around China's Belt and Road Initiative, and how Ross's background as a lawyer influenced his writing. They explore the complexities ofChinese politics, character development, and the nuances of storytelling, as well as Ross's personal journey from law to fiction writing.

Takeaways:

• Marc Ross's book 'Attacking the Dragon' explores China's geopolitical landscape.
• The Belt and Road Initiative is a significant yet under-discussed topic.
• Ross aims to portray China as a victim rather than an aggressor in his narrative.
• His legal background provides a unique perspective on the thriller genre.
• Character names in Chinese culture are complex but manageable for storytelling.
• Ross's writing journey reflects a long-held dream to become an author.
• He emphasizes the importance of creating unique protagonists in thrillers.
• The art of storytelling involves engaging readers through vivid descriptions.
• Ross enjoys the process of writing and values reader feedback. His experiences as a lawyer enrich his fictional narratives.

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In this enlightening conversation, Gil Gillenwater is with host Wynne Leon and shares his experiences and insights from over 35 years of philanthropic work along the US-Mexico border. He discusses his book, 'Hope on the Border,' which highlights the transformative power of education and community service.

Gil emphasizes the importance of enlightened self-interest over traditional charity, advocating for a model that empowers individuals and fosters dignity.

He explores the duality of poverty, the need for sustainable opportunities, and the joy found in serving others, ultimately presenting a vision for a more connected and compassionate world.

Takeaways

• Education is the key to breaking the cycle of poverty.
• Enlightened self-interest can lead to personal and communal growth.
• Charity should not be viewed as a sacrifice but as a mutual benefit.
• Volunteering provides a sense of purpose and fulfillment.
• Welfare can disempower individuals and communities.
• Community service fosters connections and shared humanity.
• The disparity in wealth is a significant issue that needs addressing.
• Experiencing poverty firsthand can change perspectives.
• Creating opportunities in one's home country can reduce migration.
• The joy of service is a pathway to personal happiness.

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In this episode, hosts Wynne Leon and Vicki Atkinson engage with novelist Doug E. Jones about his latest book, 'Take Me Back to Chicago.' The conversation delves into the rich tapestry of 1974 Chicago, exploring the characters, music, and personal connections that shape the narrative.

Doug shares insights into his transition from TV writing to novel writing, the thematic elements of his work, and the humor that permeates his storytelling. The episode highlights the importance of character dynamics and the personal experiences that inform Doug's writing, making it a delightful exploration of both the book and the author's journey.Takeaways

• Doug E. Jones's novel is set in 1974 Chicago, rich with cultural references.
• The protagonist, Rick, faces a significant debt left by his father.
• The book features strong female characters, including Rick's daughter Elena.
• Doug's writing process involves integrating real Chicago characters and events.
• The transition from TV writing to novel writing was liberating for Doug.
• Music plays a crucial role in setting the tone of the story.
• The character dynamics between Rick and his friend Javi add humor and depth.
• Historical context is woven into the narrative, enhancing the story's richness.
• Doug's personal experiences influence the characters and settings in his novels.
• The book is described as a 'beach read'—entertaining and engaging.

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In this episode of 'How to Share', Wynne Leon speaks with professor and author Dr. Vicki Atkinson about the nuances of giving and receiving feedback, particularly in the context of writing. Vicki shares insights from her own experiences as a writer, emphasizing the importance of separating one's ego from their work, the value of a growth mindset, and the significance of asking the right questions when seeking feedback.

The conversation also touches on the dynamics of feedback, the timing of giving and receiving it, and the emotional challenges that come with the creative process. Vicki provides a sneak peek into her upcoming novel, which draws from her family history, and reflects on the role of feedback in her writing journey.

Takeaways

• Feedback is a tricky subject that requires discernment.
• Separating ego from work is essential for growth.
• Asking the right questions can lead to more useful feedback.
• Timing and context matter when giving feedback.
• Not all feedback is created equal; choose your sources wisely.
• It's important to let your work develop before seeking feedback.
• Receiving feedback can be both enthralling and challenging.
• You can choose which feedback to integrate into your work.
• Emotional distance can help in processing feedback.
• Be clear about what you are asking for when seeking feedback.

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In this episode, Wynne Leon talks with Mari Sarkisian Wyatt about her book, Saving the Fourth Generation. This conversation explores the emotional and physical journey of infertility and the lengths to which individuals go to achieve parenthood. It delves into the obsession that can accompany the desire for a child and the unintended consequences that can arise, particularly in family dynamics. Mari shares personal experiences and insights, emphasizing resilience and the importance of pursuing goals while being mindful of their impact on loved ones.

Takeaways

• Mari decided to have a third child and spent the next six years enduring a series of unfortunate events.
• This is basically the story of what women and their partners are willing to go through.
• Mari's quest quickly became an obsession and she notes obsessions can hurt the people you love.
• Mari says if you just keep working toward your goal one step at a time, you might just succeed. Hopefully your family will forgive you.
• This is also a book about goals and obsessions.
• The message is about resilience and personal growth.

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Wynne Leon talks with author and writer Amy Weinland Daughters about her book, Dear Dana. Dear Dana chronicles Amy's heartfelt campaign to actually connect with her Facebook friends by taking the time to write them a letter. After writing 580 letters, Amy walked away with some profound realizations about herself, social media, and our ability to connect with each other.

In this conversation, Amy talks about the profound impact of writing on personal transformation and the accessibility of expression. She emphasizes that anyone can engage in writing without the need for formal skills, highlighting the emotional and human connection that can be fostered through simple acts of communication.

Takeaways

• The most changed participant in the writing process is often the writer themselves.
• Writing doesn't require formal skills or extensive practice.
• A simple act of writing can have a significant emotional impact.
• All you need is a postage stamp and a human heart to express yourself.
• The power of writing has always been within us, waiting to be discovered.
• Engaging in writing can lead to personal growth and transformation.
• You don't need to write hundreds of letters to make a difference.
• The act of writing can break down barriers to communication.
• Everyone has the potential to express themselves meaningfully.

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In this episode, Wynne Leon speaks with author Ana HebraFlaster about her memoir, 'The Property of the Revolution.' They explore themes of immigration, family, courage, and the complexities of cultural identity.

Ana shares personal stories from her family's journey fromCuba to America, highlighting the sacrifices made and the resilience required to rebuild their lives. The conversation delves into the importance of community, the impact of trauma, and the power of storytelling in connectingwith one's heritage.

Takeaways

• Ana's memoir captures the immigrant experience with heart and courage.
• The importance of family and community in overcoming adversity.
• Cultural identity can be both a source of pride and a challenge.
• Writing can spark reflection and connection among immigrants.
• The phrase 'Ponte Guapa' encourages bravery in facing life's challenges.
• Stories of powerful women in Ana's family exemplify resilience.
• Caring for elders is a significant cultural value.
• Trauma can lead to deeper understanding and appreciation of one's roots.
• Engaging with one's heritage can foster healing and connection.
• The act of storytelling is vital for preserving history and identity.

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In this episode, hosts Wynne Leon and Vicki Atkinson talk with best-selling author, Alyson Richman. They talk about Alyson's latest historical novel, 'The Missing Pages', inspired by the true story of Harry Elkins Widener, who perished on the Titanic. The conversation delves into Alyson's research process, her writing style, and the emotional themes of grief and memory woven throughout her work. They also touch on the adaptation of her previous best-selling book, 'The Lost Wife', for film and Alyson's current writing projects.

Takeaways

• Alyson Richman's novel 'The Missing Pages' is inspired by a true story.
• The book intertwines the past and present through a ghost narrative.
• Richman emphasizes the importance of being open to unexpected gifts.
• Her research process involves extensive historical exploration.
• She writes organically, without a strict outline.
• The themes of grief and memory are central to her storytelling.
• Richman's characters are deeply developed and emotionally engaging.
• Historical facts serve as building blocks for her narratives.
• The adaptation process for film can be lengthy and complex.
• Richman is currently working on a new novel about Edith Wharton.

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In this episode, hosts Wynne Leon and Vicki Atkinson talk with best-selling author, Alyson Richman. They talk about Alyson's latest historical novel, 'The Missing Pages', inspired by the true story of Harry Elkins Widener, who perished on the Titanic. The conversation delves into Alyson's research process, her writing style, and the emotional themes of grief and memory woven throughout her work. They also touch on the adaptation of her previous best-selling book, 'The Lost Wife', for film and Alyson's current writing projects.

Takeaways

• Alyson Richman's novel 'The Missing Pages' is inspired by a true story.
• The book intertwines the past and present through a ghost narrative.
• Richman emphasizes the importance of being open to unexpected gifts.
• Her research process involves extensive historical exploration.
• She writes organically, without a strict outline.
• The themes of grief and memory are central to her storytelling.
• Richman's characters are deeply developed and emotionally engaging.
• Historical facts serve as building blocks for her narratives.
• The adaptation process for film can be lengthy and complex.
• Richman is currently working on a new novel about Edith Wharton.

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In this episode, hosts Wynne Leon and Vicki Atkinson engage with licensed nutritionist Meg Bowman, discussing her book 'This Is Your Body on Trauma.' They explore the intricate relationship between nutrition, trauma, and emotional well-being, emphasizing the importance of safety as a nutrient and how the way we eat can impact our health.

The conversation delves into the significance of understanding our nervous system's state, the role of food in family dynamics, and practical strategies for creating a safe eating environment. Meg shares her insights on the FIGS protocol and the personal journey of writing her book, encouraging listeners to approach their relationship with food with kindness and curiosity.

Takeaways

• Safety is the most important nutrient for the nervous system.
• How you eat is as important as what you eat.
• Understanding your nervous system state can influence food choices.
• Food is often a reflection of deeper needs for safety and stability.
• Nutrition requires a personal and nuanced approach.
• Creating a safe eating environment can enhance well-being.
• The FIGS protocol helps assess individual nutritional needs.
• Storytelling and emotional state impact our relationship with food.
• Removing shame from food choices is crucial for healing.
• Self-care should focus on centering individual needs.

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In this episode, host Wynne Leon speaks with Glenn Mutti-Driscoll, a hydrogeologist who caught Cal Raleigh's 60th home run ball at a Mariners game and chose to give it away to a 12-year-old boy named Marcus.

The conversation explores the themes of kindness, generosity, and the ripple effects of such actions on individuals and communities. Glenn shares his spontaneous decision to give the ball away, the serendipity of the moment, and the positive outcomes that followed, including media recognition and the impact on his own children. The discussion emphasizes the importance of living values and the visibility of kindness in a world often filled with negativity.

Takeaways

• Glenn's act of kindness was spontaneous and automatic.
• The decision to give the ball away was influenced by his role as a parent.
• Kindness can have a ripple effect on the community.
• The media response highlighted the importance of positive stories.
• Glenn's children learned valuable lessons about generosity.
• The experience brought unexpected joy and recognition to Glenn's family.
• Acts of kindness can uplift people's spirits in challenging times.
• Sharing experiences can inspire others to act kindly.
• The moment of catching the ball was filled with serendipity.
• Glenn's story serves as a reminder of the power of giving.

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In this episode, Karen Olson, founder of Family Promise, talks with hosts Wynne Leon and Vicki Atkinson. She shares her journey of helping homeless families and the profound impact of kindness and community service.

Through personal stories and insights from her book 'Meant for More', she emphasizes the importance of seeing and engaging with those experiencing homelessness, breaking down stereotypes, and advocating for systemic change to address the root causes of homelessness.

• Karen Olson founded Family Promise to help homeless families.
• The organization mobilizes community resources to provide shelter and support.
• 80% of families in the program find housing within nine weeks.
• Personal acts of kindness can lead to significant change.
• Engaging with the homeless can break down barriers and stereotypes.
• Community service fulfills the needs of both the giver and receiver.
• Advocacy is essential for systemic change in homelessness.
• Many homeless families are hidden from public view.
• Compassion and kindness can inspire others to act.
• The journey of helping others can lead to personal healing.

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In this engaging conversation, host Wynne Leon, award-winning playwright Jack Canfora, and author Maxine Rosaler delve into her recently released book, 'The Missing Kidney,' a collection of short stories that explore the complexities of human relationships set against the backdrop of New York City in the 1970s and 80s. Maxine shares her journey as a writer, discussing her preference for short stories, the therapeutic nature of writing, and the importance of character development. The discussion also touches on the evolution of New York City, the themes of truth and denial in her work, and the challenges of navigating personal relationships in fiction. Throughout the conversation, Maxine emphasizes the significance of finding one's voice and the role of encouragement in a writer's journey.TakeawaysMaxine's stories are character-based and often autobiographical.She prefers writing short stories over novels for their conciseness.Writing can be therapeutic, helping to process emotions and experiences.The city of New York serves as a character in her stories.Maxine believes in the goodness of people and explores themes of denial.She emphasizes the importance of finding one's angle in writing.Feedback from readers and critics can be both affirming and challenging.The evolution of New York City influences her writing and themes.Maxine navigates personal relationships carefully in her fiction.The unconscious mind plays a crucial role in the creative process.Links for this episode:

In this episode, Wynne Leon interviews IT director John Hernandez, who shares insights on collaborativeleadership, the importance of knowledge sharing in technology, and how to adapt communication for diverse audiences.

John discusses his journey in building a team-oriented culture, overcoming knowledge hoarding in IT, and leveraging AI as a tool for collaboration. The conversation emphasizes the significance of passion, openness, and curiosity in fostering a productive work environment.

Takeaways

• John emphasizes the importance of sharing knowledge to build effective teams.
• A collaborative leadership style fosters a culture of openness and mentorship.
• Technology professionals often hoard knowledge due to fear of job security.
• AI is changing the landscape of IT, enabling more collaboration.
• Effective communication is key to engaging non-technical audiences.
• Storytelling can help convey complex technical concepts.
• Creating a supportive environment encourages team members to grow.
• Passion for technology can be infectious and motivate others.
• Adapting messages for different audiences is crucial in IT.
• Building a knowledge-sharing culture can lead to better team dynamics.

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In this episode, Micki Purcell talks with Wynne Leon and Vicki Atkinson about her powerful journey following her son Anthony's spinal cord injury. She discusses the challenges faced by families dealing with such injuries and the founding of her organization, Walking with Anthony, which provides support and resources.

Micki emphasizes the importance of advocacy, community involvement, and the need for better healthcare coverage for spinal cord injuries. The conversation highlights the personal stories of resilience and hope, as well as the ongoing fight for disability rights and awareness.

Takeaways

• Micki Purcell founded Walking with Anthony to help families affected by spinal cord injuries.
• Insurance often fails to cover necessary rehabilitation for spinal cord injury patients.
• The organization has become a vital resource for those in need of support and guidance.
• Recovery from spinal cord injuries requires a strong desire and commitment to progress.
• Micki's advocacy work is deeply personal and driven by her family's experiences.
• Community support plays a crucial role in the recovery process for individuals with disabilities.
• Micki emphasizes the importance of mental health and emotional support for patients and families.
• The upcoming event aims to raise funds to help more individuals receive necessary care.
• Micki's family is actively involved in the charity, showcasing the power of collective support.
• There is a pressing need for systemic change in healthcare coverage for spinal cord injuries.

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In this episode, Wynne Leon and Vicki Atkinson are with Christine Devane, a children's book author. Christine discusses her book 'Elephant Beach,' which addresses themes of kindness, social skills, and the importance of patience for shy children.

The conversation explores Christine's journey from being a shy child to becoming an author, the significance of inviting others to join in, and the lessons that both children and adults can learn from her story.

Takeaways

• Christine Devane's book 'Elephant Beach' promotes kindness and social skills.
• The story features a shy girl who learns to embrace fun and friendship.
• Elephants symbolize social connection and humor in the book.
• The book encourages children to step out of their comfort zones.
• Patience is essential for understanding shy children.
• Parents should be supportive and patient with their shy kids.
• Every child has a unique personality and needs different encouragement.
• The importance of inviting others to join in activities is highlighted.
• Christine's own experiences as a shy child inform her writing.
• Growth is possible for shy children, as seen in Christine's journey.

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In this episode, Wynne Leona and Vicki Atkinson are with Christine Devane, a children's book author. Christine discusses her book 'Elephant Beach,' which addresses themes of kindness, social skills, and the importance of patience for shy children. The conversation explores Christine's journey from being a shy child to becoming an author, the significance of inviting others to join in, and the lessons that both children and adults can learn from her story.

Takeaways

• Christine Devane's book 'Elephant Beach' promotes kindness and social skills.
• The story features a shy girl who learns to embrace fun and friendship.
• Elephants symbolize social connection and humor in the book.
• The book encourages children to step out of their comfort zones.
• Patience is essential for understanding shy children.
• Parents should be supportive and patient with their shy kids.
• Every child has a unique personality and needs different encouragement.
• The importance of inviting others to join in activities is highlighted.
• Christine's own experiences as a shy child inform her writing.
• Growth is possible for shy children, as seen in Christine's journey.

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