The Moving Beyond Trauma Podcast

This month’s ‘Spiritual Conversations is Trauma Healing’ podcast is on “Toxic Positivity”.  Judy Dragon and Debbie Zeits discuss the definition and causes; what is the difference and paradox between healthy optimism or authentic positivity different from toxic positivity; how many will use toxic positivity through projection or use the bypassing of grief, pain and feelings so to not be labeled ‘negative’. This is an important discussion in learning to embody our authentic self and notice trauma patterns.

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Last month’s guest, Tony Carrol from Ireland, who works with the International Sovereignty assemblies, a healer and founder of Olive Branch Healing Centers, dives deeper into the topic of “Freedom and Trauma: Part 2” on this podcast. He discusses more on the principles of Natural or Common law—the difference between land, soil, sea, and air jurisdictions, ‘legalese’ terms, and birth certificates that keep many bound to a slave system.

Tony shares what it means to feel sovereign and free within, some childhood patterns he has worked with, how he realized he had co-created the family trauma, and how he lives differently in discussing his process and the virtues he has become aware of. You’ll find this show uplifting in helping to shift the paradigm both inside and out around evaluating freedom, trauma and sovereignty.

Creator’s teachings are available to help integrate the topic after.

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Spiritual Conversations in Trauma Healing, in commemoration of 250 years since the signing of the Declaration of Independence, invited a special guest, a sovereignty friend and healer, whose ancestor was one of the original signers, to discuss his journey around the topic of ‘Freedom and Trauma’ with Judy. Tony Carrol’s story covers a great deal of territory—from his mother’s elderly abuse due to institutionalized medical practices to emotional trauma in an Irish family. Along the route, he explains a movement of sovereignty that he is a part of in waking up to how governments and medical practices attempt to usurp our freedoms. This will be part 1, and we will further the conversation next month as it’s an important discussion for this time in our history. A healing meditation follows.

On this month’s podcast, Debbie Zeits and Judy Dragon dive deeper into “Abuse of Children Through Vaccinations and Money.” This isn't about being anti-medicine. It's about asking who has really been protected and who hasn't by recognizing the five repeating patterns of abuse. Both ladies will discuss the foundations and history of vaccines with the laws that were put into place to protect corporations and their profits. They share about the lack of liability, the experiments, cover-ups, eugenics, inserts, lack of informed consent, some famous doctors involved, and some personal stories. At the end, Judy shares a loving meditation to bring healing to the children of the world and ourselves.

This month’s podcast starts a topic on ‘Abuse of Children through Medical Professionals & Coercion.’ Debbie and Judy delve into a system that was built, funded, and protected to make children vulnerable and sick. They show by discussion and a timeline, why medical abuse of children was possible — and why it has continued for so long. Through the recognition of the signs within the historical and personal context, more of this topic can be digested. Personal stories are shared. Creator’s teachings are given after, to help integrate. Enjoy the listen!

Our conversation this month is “Structures of Evil…History and Collapse”. Judy and Debbie take a historical and spiritual dive into Satanism, Freemasonry, and the Illuminati. Beyond any 'conspiracy theories', Judy reveals some truths of her life connected to these structures. There is a discussion of the Inversion Reset of 1776, our American forefather’s awareness of infiltration of the Dark cabal, and structures that are also based within the premises of these institutions of evil.

It’s time to reveal the true basis for what has operated within the world for a long time, and to bring awareness that nothing is more than Creator of All. A meditation is offered to bring more love and light to yourself and the hotspots of the world.

For this month’s podcast, Debbie Zeits and I delve into a very complex subject--‘Freemartin and Gender Inversion’. We define what a freemartin is in the animal world, and how this relates to what is happening to children in an agenda that is destroying their health, their body, and limiting their life choices. We discuss the causes of body dysphoria, trauma, and environmental chemicals, which may lead to gender transition decisions that are also being pushed on children from different fronts—the home, media, schools, and entertainment industries. Included is the history coming from the ‘Elite’ Satanic inversion perspective, symbolism of the Baphomet, connections to Epstein’s atrocities, and how this social engineering has also been started in the womb. The results are now a backlash leading to lawsuits from the de-transitioning teens and young adults to stop this harm. Some stories are shared, and Creator’s teaching are available.

February’s Spiritual Conversations in Trauma Healing podcast brings a suggested topic from our audience as Debbie and I wove it into, “How Trauma Shifts Empathy for Empaths”. We discuss the qualities and differences of both empathetic and empathic people. Additionally, we share how empathy becomes overcompensated for empathic children due to coping mechanisms from early trauma and its effects. There are also solutions in what can be done or worked on to bring about more balance. Creator’s teachings are included to support this balance. More can be gleaned in Book 1 of Moving Beyond Revised.

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January’s Spiritual Conversations in Trauma Healing podcast discusses “Regulating Oneself is Not the End”. It often occurs that the process of regulating oneself emotionally and somatically from past trauma from childhood abuse can lead to possibly memory bypassing in not wanting to deal with deeper, unconscious issues. Judy Dragon and Debbie Zeits explore why, when, and how this happens. They share how the brain responds to trauma memories that become unconscious, starting and stopping of the memory work, dissociation of feelings, and what ‘somatizing’ can indicate. Judy finishes the conversation with a meditation to affirm the journey of the unconscious.

December’s Spiritual Conversations in Trauma Healing podcast—"‘You hurt my feelings!’ - Blaming or ownership of experience?” delves into who is responsible for our experiences and feelings. Debbie and Judy share their experiences with this expression of discontent, getting out the position of victim from the Drama Triangle, what happens when people don’t take accountability, or are overly responsible, and the emotional intelligence to use in developing the communication skills to respond or resolve. Some Creator’s Teachings (concepts not known) are offered at the end to anchor the information from the discussion.

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Judy Dragon and Debbie Zeits bring some light to this month’s Spiritual Conversations in Trauma Healing as they dive into a deep topic, “Suicide and Suicidal Ideation Viewpoints”. They discuss reasons that people experience these feelings and/or actions, the societal beliefs and spiritual perspectives around suicide, grieving for those left behind, and sharing some personal experiences. Judy shares a heartfelt meditation to bring healing to each of us and the world in these challenging times. Enjoy!

This month’s podcast is taken from an old blog, “Are You Whole?” Judy will be doing this one solo as Debbie is taking a needed break. Judy shares a true story that occurred for her, bringing to light the effects of extreme trauma, its healing, and a former book written to bring this transformation into the public arena.

When a fellow dancer mockingly responded to her vulnerable disclosure, Judy’s response left him to look more deeply at his behavior. This is perfect timing for the disclosures this world is going through. It also shows the healing, communication skills, and the authenticity that is possible when one knows, owns, and lives their truth.

There are Creator’s teachings left for you to receive at the 7th Plane/Unconditional Love frequency to support you.

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Judy Dragon and Debbie Zeits were asked a question from the audience and decided to respond as the Spiritual Conversations in Trauma Healing topic for this month's podcast-- The Question: "Why These Books?" Since there was already Judy's first book from 2009, why was there a need for revision on the topic of healing trauma from childhood abuse through the ThetaHealing® Technique?

Debbie asks questions so that Judy could share more about what prompted her to write, her process, and about the flow of the series that took many years to complete including approval by Vianna Stibal, Founder of the ThetaHealing Technique and the Board of Directors. They also discuss about their vision and projects being prepared to be offered through the not-for-profit and their vision for the future.

A relaxing meditation is offered to support you to experience the world from a place of connection, peace and healing.

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Judy Dragon and Debbie Zeits focus on “Symbols, Signals, and Codes” in this month’s “Spiritual Conversations in Trauma Healing”.  We are being signaled all the time, but do we pay attention? What do we pay attention to?  Which ones are beneficial, and which ones are creating harm? They discuss the Spiritual Realm of Creation that symbols, codes and signals may come from, how interpretations change through history, usage in media, a touch into the government’s MKultra Mind Control programming, codes for healing, and a hand signal to stop trafficking.  

Creator’s Teachings are offered to help assimilate the discussion.

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July’s topic is “Rehabilitation for Perpetrators through Cognify AI?”.  Debbie Zeits and Judy Dragon discuss the implications of AI usage through a new technology called Cognify. It’s being used to reform criminals, particularly sexual offenders in how these offenders could be possibly be put back into society. They share how the Cognify design works in changing brain neural pathways by implanting synthetic memories. The offender basically goes through a 7-minute life review from the perspective of those who were harmed. 
This is a fascinating topic, one that will have you asking more questions and feeling deeply into how life is changing. Creator’s teachings are offered after.

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In finding that many who have dealt with trauma from childhood abuse have had Near Death Experiences (NDEs) and Out of Body Experiences (OBEs), Judy Dragon and Debbie Zeits wanted to give these a deeper exploration. They discuss what they are, how they might occur, the fear of death, what kind of life reviews a child and adult may go through, or just the experience in crossing over, and what Engram banks are in relation to going unconscious. There is a relaxing meditation after to ground you. Enjoy the Listen!

This month’s Spiritual Conversations in Trauma Healing is “Resistance, Avoidance, Fear, and Truth”.  Debbie Zeits and Judy Dragon discuss the differences between denial and resistance and resistance and avoidance. They ask and discuss whether we can acknowledge the resistance, how it shows up, and what can be done when it appears in trauma healing. Additionally, there is a dive into somatic truth, and what it means as the truth and validity of repressed memories that show signs in the body, and what people tend to dismissively say about what someone who shares their inner truth in what they have remembered. Stories are shared, and Creator’s teachings are given.

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With all that is going on in the world and the collapse of the ‘old world’, Debbie Zeits and Judy Dragon discuss “Build a New Model of Change”. They angle their conversation based on their experiences of how external (outer world) structures affect our internal structures (inner world) and vise versa, and what that means in trauma healing. They share pertinent stories and examples. A beautiful meditation is offered to help understand that change is All-That-Is.

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Spiritual Conversations in Trauma Healing, with hosts Judy Dragon and Debbie Zeits, bring awareness to the topic of “Being Ignored”. They look at the connections to other emotional and developmental traumas from abuse, how this affects the brain, the coping strategies and responses that occur, beliefs, and feelings that being ignored brings up. They also discuss family estrangement in being ignored with some stories, and how to work with feeling ignored.

There are many Creator’s teachings (concepts not understood emotionally, psychologically, and somatically) that are given.

We welcome feedback and suggestions.

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Since the month of February is often connotated with Love, Spiritual Conversations in Trauma Healing, with hosts Debbie Zeits and Judy Dragon, focus on the topic of "Love Languages". What makes people feel seen and significant in romantic relationship, friendships, and businesses often turns out to be virtues or qualities. When people have been abused as children, these characteristics become skewed. What are the criterias that have you feeling loved or cared about? The ladies share some personal experiences and viewpoints.

Creator's Teachings (concepts not understood emotionally, psychologically and somatically) are given. 

Spiritual Conversations in Trauma Healing discusses another controversial subject. "An Orientation of Normalcy...Pedophilia??" Debbie Zeits and Judy Dragon dive into the meaning of what ‘normal’ is, behaviors that have been identified as normal in some societies that are sexually harmful to children, ancient historical awareness, and what are NOMAPS vs predatory pedophiles. They also discuss how parental rights are abused in protecting their children, and how the educational, political and legal system have allowed abusive pedophilic behaviors to become ‘normalized’. They are aware that the tides are turning to protect the children, yet they felt it important to share perspectives to understand how the children can and have be affected and what direction humanity wants to shift in their thinking and in behaviors.

Creator’s Teachings (concepts not understood emotionally, psychologically and somatically) are given to help center back to oneself. Enjoy

Our Spiritual Conversation in Trauma Healing, Season 5, Episode 2, brings a bit of controversy to the show. “Are Children Sensual or Sexual Beings?” opens a door to explore the true nature of children different than a more recent agenda of sexualizing them. Melissa Martin, Debbie Zeits, and Judy Dragon give background and an honest conversation about this topic and the agenda, define what it is for children in being sensual different than sexual, examples, personal stories and give Creator’s teachings (concepts or affirmations that you may not know). Enjoy!

July’s Spiritual Conversations in Trauma Healing brings the three part series on Intuitive Trigger Awareness to its finale. In being able to now start to recognize and identify presentations, triggers and patterns from the information from the past episodes, Judy, Debbie and Melissa discuss what can be done about the triggers--how to calm the reaction and process the emotions and/or memories for relief and renewal. Judy shares an exercise from her new Moving Beyond Revised to help regulate the Dorsal Vagel nerve. Enjoy!

June’s Spiritual Conversations in Trauma Healing brings together Judy, Debbie and Melissa in the Part 2 of this series on Intuitive Trigger Awareness. The three converse on triggers, the importance of them, how they can come from different connections whether in-person social interaction or through events in the world where people may have acquiesced to rules or authority figures. This lively discussion will end with a solstice meditation. Enjoy!

May’s Spiritual Conversations in Trauma Healing welcomes back Melissa Martin joining Debbie and Judy to discuss Intuitive Trigger Awareness. This is Part 1 of a three-part series that also angles in on how people can recognize the presentations and patterns through triggers that are expressed or felt. Some Creator’s teachings are given (spiritual/psychological concepts) to support the discussion. Enjoy!

With all that is being exposed in the world, Debbie and Judy do an overview of different kinds of extreme abuse, such as trafficking, Satanic ritual abuse and underground tunnels, which creates complex trauma from the effects.

They wanted to open the conversation to bring these horrific situations into the light so healing practitioners as well as Thetahealers can grasp the severity of what has been occurring for thousands of years.

We are in exciting times to bring this out of the darkness for acknowledgment.

We do the Thetahealing meditation and healing for the planet after.

Debbie and Judy were sent an excellent question to feel and delve into for this episode. ‘How do we know if symptoms or conditions we are experiencing in our body are signs of repressed memories from abuse or an actual physical or emotional condition?”  They delve into this from different angles and a few rabbit holes. Ultimately, there were some simple understandings. Enjoy!

As the New Year rolls in, Judy and Debbie discuss healthy romantic relationships different from unhealthy ones due to childhood abuse patterns. They ask questions to assess the kinds of romantic relationships with another we have, the development and levels while sharing some personal stories. Creator’s Teachings are included.

As the holidays move through this month, Judy and Debbie discuss healthy friendships different from unhealthy ones due to childhood abuse patterns. They ask questions to assess the kinds of friendships we have, the development and levels while sharing some personal stories. Creator’s Teachings are included.

Judy and Debbie discuss Survivor's Guilt giving a general definition and example and go into a more detailed discussion specific to childhood trauma. In the discussion, questions the survivor may ask and other potential responses of survivor’s guilt are explored. Becoming aware of potential blame, shame, or guilt can lead to understanding some deeper lessons and healing.

Creator downloads are explained and a few around Survivor's Guilt are left at the 7th plane.

When it comes to dealing with repressed memories, what comes up to stop us? What kind of resistance occurs? How do we know we are ready to face what really happened? Debbie and Judy discuss what makes it difficult to be willing to journey into the unconscious memory material. We discuss some of our process in how we have handled these situations. It’s never easy to feel the full scope of memory processing.

For more context, please listen to S4E1 Types of Memories if you haven't already to get more details and context on repressed memories and why they occur.

In this podcast episode, Judy and Debbie dive into the different types of memories and explain that not all memories are cognitive and available for instant recall. Find out why and how parts of the brain function in creating and storing traumatic memories. Creator’s teachings are included to help with integration of this topic.

S3E9 Fears and Beliefs for Disclosure Preparation 

Disclosure to the offender and to those close takes a great deal of courage and finding the right time to move forth. 

Our February 2022, Season 3 Episode 2:  Responding To Those Revealing goes into what disclosure is, how it’s different than confrontation, the importance of when to disclose, and that it is not necessary in order to heal from abuse.

In this episode, Debbie and Judy discuss fears and beliefs to help individuals and clients in the preparation for disclosure and to bring clarity in whether they want to proceed or not.

A meditation is included at the end.

D, D, & MBC Oh My!

Derealization and Depersonalization along with Marginal Body Consciousness can occur from trauma from accidents, environmental devastations like floods or earthquakes, or a shocking overload of information that was unknown. They can also occur from childhood abuse. Debbie queries Judy to explore more about these adaptations to trauma.  Due to Judy's background in witnessing clients and experiencing these herself in the past, this opens a lively discussion. We share some Creator’s teachings at the end.

This Spiritual Conversations on Trauma Healing podcast is titled 'Cults From Culture'. The term ‘cult’ actually comes from Latin meaning ‘care’ or ‘adoration.’ It’s part of the word cult/ure. Thus, cult can represent the core system of beliefs and activities at the basis of a culture.

While we don't script our conversations, we typically have a general idea of major discussion points we want to include. This conversation took us to some very different angles that were unexpected, but we let it free flow. From the origin of the world 'cult' to the tenets of cults, from recruitment to totalist/destructive cults and organizations, we traversed a spectrum of what has been similarly reflected in the last few years. The spiritual awareness is brought together with Unconditional love frequency available to you. Enjoy!

The Law of Karma is often used to blame those who survived abuse and its traumatic effects. Judy and Debbie discuss what Karma really is, talk through the misconceptions and end with a meditation of Unconditional Love.

Judy and Debbie explain the affects and stages of grooming from the family unit level with some ThetaHealing Technique Creator's downloads left at the 7th plain for support.

Season 3 Episode 4 How Trauma Affects Manifesting

We know that our thoughts and beliefs create our reality, but how does trauma affect us in this realm, and what can be done? Melissa, Debbie and Judy discuss some of the virtues and blocks that affect manifesting instantly through the 7th Plane/Unconditional Love. There is also a guided and relaxing manifestation meditation. Happy New Year!

Season 3 Episode 3:  The Stages of Healing Childhood Abuse

Melissa Martin joins Debbie and Judy in discussing the stages of remembering one’s memories which is a grieving and healing process.  As a brief summary, we listed one model of the 7 stages of grieving. Grieving and healing is not a linear process.

1. Shock, numbness and denial. numbness - you feel emotionally numb and may deny the loss or memory
2. Pain, guilt, searching for answers - the pain of the loss starts to set in
3. Depression, loneliness, despair and disorganization
4. Anger, bargaining- may lash out at people you love or become angry with yourself or you might try to ‘strike a bargain’ with Creator or others
5. The upward turn -adjust to your new life, and the intensity of the pain you feel from the loss starts to reduce
6. Reconstruction and working through the process- taking action to move forward
7. Acceptance, reorganization, help and recovery- accept the loss and feel hope

Many are starting to reveal their childhood abuse stories more publicly. This could be from sharing with a friend, at a workshop, or on a public forum. There is a lack of informed and caring trauma educated responses.  In Spiritual Conversations for Trauma Healing Podcast S3E2, Judy and Debbie discuss why people may choose or not to reveal their trauma, the often erroneous assumptions, opinions and/or projections, the responses that support presence and healing, and ending with some Creator's teachings.

Judy and Debbie discuss what collective trauma is, why it’s important to understand, the causes, who is affected and the effects, how we can heal from it, and their personal visions in how the world can shift. Please join us for a lively conversation with Creator’s teachings to support your healing.

This is the time of heated energies as we come out of the eclipses with its vast changes, and heading for Summer Solstice.  June’s ‘Spiritual Conversations in Trauma Healing’  brings a lively conversation on understanding ways of communicating when there are disagreements. Debbie, Melissa and Judy of The Moving Beyond Trauma Project discuss how disagreements, arguments and conflicts are different and how one can lead to another. They also share some personal stories, what is the possibilities in resolving these issues and some wonderful Creator’s teachings (concepts people don’t understand within) to be received.  Join us in how we can use our communication in more balanced ways to stop trauma!

The springtime had us thinking about connection and relationships. This podcast brings together our new team member and ThetaHealing Instructor, Melissa Martin, to discuss with Debbie and Judy about “Difficult Attachment Bonding’.  We share about what Attachment disordering involves, how it’s connected to trauma bonding, how it affects us particularly as adults in creating or being in relationships, and the trust and safety that needs to be present to recreate secure attachment. We also look at the beliefs that arise from these patterns. Enjoy!

2E4  As April is Child Abuse Prevention Month, Debbie and Judy followed the theme in discussing the four parenting styles which are so important to recognize to stop abuse. They share which of the styles develop healthy skills, ones that create trauma responses, how violence becomes part of the styles, some personal stories of their own experiences and awareness in both being mothers and ThetaHealing Practitioners. Enjoy!

Judy and Debbie discuss what disclosure is, how it’s different than confrontation, the importance of when to disclose, and if it’s necessary in order to heal from abuse. Both share their personal positions and experiences.

The 'Triggers in Trauma' podcast discusses triggers as an opportunity to take a pause, look within and find the origins of our pain or confusion so that we can come back to our core and move forward. To say the least, triggers that come from childhood abuse and its traumatic effects are plentiful, so our willingness to work through them support our inner growth and ability to manifest as co-creators in our life.