
The Next Level Leader
By Jon Harris | Apex Performance


The Next Level Leader w/ Kae Wagner
From Farm Girl to Bestselling Author: Kae Wagner on Turning Your Story Into a Book, a Brand, and a Business
What if the book sitting in your head could become your most powerful business card? Author and publishing strategist Kae Wagner joins Jon Harris to reveal why every leader has a story worth telling, the neuroscience of why storytelling sells, and how to turn your hardest chapters into your most valuable ones.
Kae Wagner is the founder of North Star Marketing and an author of multiple nonfiction and fiction books, including The 10 Power Principles of Marketing and The CEO's Little Black Book on Branding. She now runs an agency helping executives, coaches, and subject matter experts write, publish, and market books that build their personal brand and business.
In this episode, you'll learn:
Why self-published books became Kae's ticket to speaking stages and millions in sales
The real reason most people wrongly believe only celebrities and executives can write books
The neuroscience of storytelling: why the brain relaxes and remembers better through story
How business fables turn frameworks into character-driven, memorable lessons
The framework for finding your story: inciting incident, crisis, and transformation
Why vulnerability and authenticity are the foundation of a strong personal brand
How giving books away, not selling them, drives the real business value
What the Bold Authors Network offers writers of every genre
Keywords: book publishing, self-publishing, personal branding, storytelling, business fables, nonfiction writing, ghostwriting, author platform, thought leadership, book marketing, Bold Authors Network, North Star Marketing, vulnerability, authenticity
Connect with Kae Wagner: North Star Marketing and the Bold Authors Network
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Chapters:
00:00 Welcome and introducing author Kae Wagner
01:32 Kae's background: from farm girl writing contest to entrepreneur
03:18 Founding North Star Marketing and writing The 10 Power Principles of Marketing
04:21 The CEO's Little Black Book on Branding and the power of a book to open doors
05:40 Self-publishing strategy: using books to build a network and land clients
06:31 Pivoting into fiction: the story that would not leave her alone
08:06 The myth that only celebrities and executives get to write books
09:11 The power of storytelling and why every story matters
11:47 Fiction vs. nonfiction: story is still rooted in truth
13:00 Jon's story: falling back in love with reading through The Da Vinci Code
16:34 The neuroscience of storytelling and why the brain craves story
19:04 Business fables: turning frameworks into character-driven stories
21:45 Working with Julian on Crash and Burn Learn and finding the real plot twists
26:13 10 Things I Learned From the Billionaire: transformation without crisis
29:00 Jon's crucible moment: rock bottom, sobriety, and rebuilding his life
34:05 Owning your story: turning shame into part of your brand
40:07 Vulnerability, authenticity, and the being vs. doing of personal brand
41:31 Where to find Kae: the Bold Authors Network
42:51 Why giving books away matters more than selling them
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The Next Level Leader w/ David Fung
Authority Isn't Influence: David Fung on Leading Change, Building Trust, and Why Great Leaders Are Great Teammates First
Ever gotten a promotion and expected people to finally listen to you? Executive coach David Fung joins Jon Harris to explain why authority without influence is just dictatorship, and breaks down the science-backed framework leaders need to build trust, drive change, and stop leading alone.
David Fung left a 23-year career in tech, including years in high-pressure technical sales, to become a leadership and executive coach. He now works with executives and executive teams navigating major transitions, helping them lead through chaos in their personal lives, work lives, and team dynamics.
In this episode, you'll learn:
Why authority without influence is dictatorship, and what true influence actually requires
The 3 elements of influence: connection, credibility, and relevance
Why great leaders must be great teammates before they can lead others well
The 3-part science of change: vision, dissatisfaction, and willingness
Jack Welch's approach to leading change: what it is, why it's happening, and what's in it for them
Why "leadership is lonely" is a myth, and how to build community as a senior leader
How self-leadership and modeling vulnerability build trust for after-action reviews
Why AI is disrupting outdated processes and spreadsheets before it disrupts leadership jobs
Connect with David Fung:
Website: https://coachfulcoaching.com/
Social Media Links:
https://www.youtube.com/@coachfulcoaching
https://www.instagram.com/coachfulcoaching/
https://www.linkedin.com/in/davidfung2/
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Chapters:
00:00 Welcome, and why leadership coaches collaborate instead of compete
01:51 David Fung's path from 23 years in tech to executive coaching
04:04 What athletes and top salespeople teach us about competition and community
08:06 The myth of the "lone wolf" leader
09:58 Why giving first builds trust and reciprocity
12:11 Debunking the myth that "leadership is lonely"
14:01 Authority vs. influence: why authority alone is dictatorship
14:53 The 3 elements of influence: connection, credibility, relevance
20:05 Jack Welch's rule for leading change
21:00 Why organizations resist change: the science of safety
22:46 The 3-part theory of change: vision, dissatisfaction, willingness
26:24 Reading the moment: The First 90 Days and matching your leadership style
30:00 "We've faced change before": lessons from COVID, 9/11, and 2008
31:56 Where AI is really disrupting work (hint: it's not leadership jobs yet)
37:42 Why leaders should run after-action reviews like military and sports teams
38:06 Self-leadership: modeling vulnerability before asking for feedback
44:19 "To influence others, you have to show you can be influenced by them"
47:25 Final advice: start with self-leadership
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The Next Level Leader w/ Forrest Derr
Guest Background
Forrest Derr spent about 18 years in the office furniture/supply industry, eventually becoming VP of Operations over logistics, warehousing, distribution, and technology. He then moved into telecom (VoIP and internet), where his company adopted EOS after reading Traction and worked with an implementer for four years. After a chance conversation with another fractional integrator, Forrest saw an opportunity to help multiple companies at once rather than working inside a single one, and now works as a fractional COO/integrator — primarily with companies already running on EOS. He also founded an EOS networking group in Fairhope, Alabama that has since grown to roughly 70 chapters nationwide.
What is EOS?
EOS is described as an operating system for running a business — not software, but a set of fundamental systems and structures covering vision alignment, clearly defined roles and responsibilities, and disciplined meeting rhythms (notably the weekly 90-minute "Level 10," or L10, meeting). Forrest estimates over 400,000 businesses currently run on EOS, some self-implemented and others guided by a certified implementer.
Building the Right Team: The Accountability Chart
A recurring theme was building an accountability chart around the needs of the business — not around the people currently in the building. Forrest advises leaders to imagine designing the org chart from scratch based on where the company needs to be in 12 months, then determine who fits which seat, rather than creating seats to accommodate long-tenured employees who may not fit ("Susie's been here 20 years" is not a reason to keep a seat that no longer serves the business).
Each seat should carry just 5–7 core responsibilities — the 20% of activities that drive 80% of results — paired with scorecard metrics so people know whether they're winning or losing without needing a manager to tell them.
Accountability and Resistance to Change
Introducing scorecards and real accountability typically surfaces resistance. Forrest calls people who self-select out "volunteers" — high performers embrace metrics, while low performers who prefer to stay unseen tend to leave. He argues this is healthy: losing someone unwilling to be held accountable usually brings relief to the rest of the team and clears the way to bring in a stronger replacement. He's observed a compounding effect where upgraded ("A-player") hires attract other strong talent from their networks.
The Visionary/Integrator Relationship
Forrest explained the two core EOS leadership roles:
Visionary — typically the founder; idea-driven, emotional, often pursuing multiple directions at once.
Integrator — the second-in-command who leads the leadership team and channels the visionary's energy toward focused execution.
Common Blind Spots
The blind spot Forrest raises most often with founders and leadership teams: What is the exit strategy? He argues every major business decision should be made in service of a defined future outcome — whether that's an ESOP conversion, a sale to private equity, or another path — and that many leaders are unknowingly building toward a valuation or timeline that their current business model can't support. Jon added a related distinction he uses with founders and solopreneurs: whether they're building a "lifestyle business" (which can't be sold apart from themselves) or a sellable asset — neither is wrong, but the distinction should be a deliberate choice that guides decisions.
Forrest intentionally works himself out of a job: 6–9 month (up to 12-month) contracts aimed at helping a company determine whether an internal "closet integrator" already exists or whether they need to hire one externally, then setting up the structure for a permanent hire. He typically works with three client businesses per week, one day each.
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Next Level Leader w/ Julien Godbarge
Julien Godbarge spent 15 years rising through a private equity-backed company before becoming CEO of a Dubai-based platform company. The first four years were a textbook private equity success story: process improvements, rebranding, tech upgrades, and an industry roll-up that made money and felt exhilarating. Then it unraveled. A flawed ERP dashboard inflated his EBITDA projections, post-pandemic supply chain issues forced him to buy equipment he'd planned to rent, debt covenants tightened, competitors turned hostile, and a new product launch dragged on. Within six months, he went from "top of the world" to breaking down in tears at an airport, unable to think clearly.
Julien and Jon unpack the blind spots that turned a run of external pressure into a full collapse: the "Atlas Syndrome" of believing you alone have to carry every burden, tying self-worth to performance and outcomes rather than process, and the danger of building an entire identity around a job or title. They also cover the "denial tax" - the cost of not processing hard things as they happen - and why resilience, not just raw talent or work ethic, is the trait that actually protects high performers. Julien now writes and coaches on this through his book, Crash and Learn, and his 10 Blind Spots assessment.
About Julien Godbarge: Former CEO of a private equity-backed platform company, author of Crash and Learn, and executive coach. After his own burnout and recovery, he built a framework around 10 leadership blind spots to help executives spot and avoid the same collapse.
Get in touch with Julien
Julien's Website - The 10 Blindspots
Key Topics & Timestamps
00:02 — Julien's background: 15 years in a lower-middle-market PE-backed company, then CEO of a Dubai platform company
06:00 — The first four "great" years: process improvement, rebranding, tech stack overhaul, industry roll-up
07:38 — The first crack: a flawed ERP dashboard inflates EBITDA projections
09:00 — Compounding crises: supply chain shortages, forced equipment purchases, tightening debt covenants
10:10 — Fallout from the roll-up: competitors turn adversarial, one poaches half his sales team
11:32 — The six-month slide: stress → sleep loss → anxiety → depression → breakdown at the airport
16:16 — Why it's "lonely at the top" — isolation as both circumstance and self-imposed habit
18:08 — The "Atlas Syndrome": believing you alone must carry every burden
19:01 — Identity fused with job title/performance, and why that's fragile
22:19 — Performance-based self-worth, and how it starts in childhood (grades, rewards)
23:52 — Julien's bonus-negotiation story: linking family provision and self-worth to hitting an EBITDA number
26:14 — Why resilience — not just talent — is what coaches and scouts actually look for
32:20 — McKinsey's shift toward recruiting for resilience, not just pedigree
33:35 — Psychological safety as a prerequisite for talking about resilience without it turning into "participation trophy" mockery
41:04 — Reframing work-life balance as harmony measured over months/quarters, not days
41:38 — The "denial tax": the compounding cost of not processing setbacks in real time
42:52 — Process over outcome — judging effort and fulfillment, not just results
46:22 — Where to find help: 10blindspots.com and the 10 Blind Spots assessment

Next Level w/ Pete Sacco
NEXT LEVEL WITH PETE SACCO
In this wide-ranging conversation, Jon and Pete cover everything from the impact of AI on the workforce to optimizing human performance and the intersection of those two topics.
Pete has a fascinating background with a wide-ranging experience - from technologist and tech founder to data-center consultant, author, and speaker - Pete covers a lot of ground.
Find out more about Pete: https://www.petesacco.com/
Let's Go Do Great Things!

Next Level w/ Tristin Vaccaro (pt. 2)
Ahead of ISC West, I have a follow-up conversation with Tristin regarding all things Marketing and Branding.
As always, Tristin delivers a wealth of knowledge and actionable recommendations to take your Marketing game to the Next Level.
Connect with Tristin on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/tristinvaccaro/
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Next Level w/ William C. Davis
Next Level w/ William C. Davis
In this episode, Jon sits down with leadership expert and author William C. Davis to unpack what’s broken in modern leadership—and how to fix it. With nearly 40 years of experience and a 90%+ retention track record, William shares why leadership must return to its core: people, trust, and connection.
This conversation explores the difference between managing and leading, the cost of poor leadership, and why humility, empathy, and self-awareness are essential for building high-performing teams. A powerful reminder that leadership isn’t about control—it’s about enabling others to succeed.

Next Level w/ Jenny Casson
In this episode of The Next Level Podcast, Jon Harris sits down with Jenny Casson — Olympian rower, entrepreneur, and performance coach — for a powerful conversation about resilience, reinvention, and the pursuit of purpose beyond competition. Jenny shares her journey from national team rower to co-founder of Daylilie Bras, revealing how setbacks, injuries, and transition moments can fuel growth.
They dive deep into the mindsets that drive sustained excellence — focusing on controllables, finding gratitude in hardship, and redefining success through curiosity and daily consistency. This is a masterclass in turning adversity into advantage and learning to belong in every room you walk into.
Key Takeaways
Process over outcome: True fulfillment comes from the daily pursuit, not the single result.
Resilience through reflection: “Be okay with not being okay” — your self-talk shapes your comeback.
Performance framework: Be the best. If not, be your best. If not, just do your best — and give 100 % of what you have that day.
Entrepreneurial purpose: Channel competitive drive into impact — build products and environments that make others feel seen.
Belonging and leadership: Show up with intention, know your worth, and lead yourself before leading others.
Get connected with Jenny and Daylilie:
https://www.instagram.com/daylilie_bras/

Next Level w/ Rowan Stone
In this episode of the Next Level Podcast, I sit down with Rowan Stone, CEO of Sapien, to explore the future of AI, data, and human knowledge. Rowan shares his personal journey from heavy engineering in Scotland to diving headfirst into crypto and Web3 — and how those risks led him to pioneer a decentralized data foundry that empowers people across 100+ countries to monetize their expertise.
We talk about what it really means to hit reset on your career, the tension between risk and responsibility, and the courage it takes to leave comfort behind in pursuit of passion. Rowan opens up about the lessons he’s learned building startups, the challenges of earning trust in a crowded AI landscape, and why the quality of data — not just algorithms or compute — is the key to safe, useful, and impactful AI.
This conversation moves beyond the tech, touching on education, the creator economy, and what it means to shape a future where people aren’t left behind but are empowered to participate. If you’re curious about the intersection of leadership, innovation, and humanity’s role in AI, this episode will leave you inspired to take your next leap.
Show Notes
00:00 – Welcome back to the Next Level Podcast and intro to Rowan Stone, CEO of Sapien.
05:30 – Rowan’s journey from heavy engineering in Scotland to diving headfirst into crypto and building in Web3.
12:40 – Taking the leap: leaving comfort behind to pursue passion, risk vs. responsibility, and what drives career pivots.
20:15 – Building Sapien: why data quality is the missing piece in AI and how their decentralized data foundry empowers people worldwide.
32:00 – Leadership lessons from scaling startups, cold start challenges, and keeping teams aligned in a fast-moving space.
41:50 – Beyond the tech: how Sapien’s model could transform education, the creator economy, and global participation in AI.
55:10 – Advice for the next generation of leaders, and Rowan’s personal “Next Level.”
1:01:30 – Where to learn more about Sapien and how to get involved.
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Next Level w/ Kyle Walsh
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🎙️ Next Level Podcast w/ Kyle Walsh
In this powerhouse episode of The Next Level Podcast, Jon Harris sits down with Kyle Walsh, a Certified Protection Professional (CPP) and seasoned leader with nearly 15 years of experience building and leading GSOC programs at top-tier organizations like Google, Meta, Bird, Cruise, Stripe, and Netflix. Kyle shares a refreshingly honest and strategic look at career development, business enablement, and modern security leadership.
🔍 From Craigslist to Crisis Management Kyle’s unexpected entry into the industry began with a Craigslist job post, leading to key security roles at some of the world’s most innovative companies. From OSINT analyst to leading crisis response programs, he unpacks how curiosity, grit, and a willingness to learn fueled his rise.
🏗️ Building GSOCs with Business Impact Kyle discusses building global security operations centers from the ground up, and how security can—and must—shift from being a cost center to a business enabler. At Cruise and Netflix, he drove strategic value by integrating risk intelligence into business operations and using security to increase operational efficiency.
🚀 Intentional Growth and Career Pivots Rather than chase titles, Kyle has built his career through calculated risk, joining startups and new industries to expand his skills and leadership capabilities. He and Jon dig into the idea of “failing by design,” embracing discomfort to grow, and seeking out roles that stretch your potential.
💼 Security as a Cross-Functional Partner Kyle emphasizes that great security leaders speak the language of the business and build strong internal networks. Whether working with tech teams or operations, he shares how understanding the mission, building trust, and demonstrating ROI are key to elevating security’s role in the enterprise.
🧠 Advice for Aspiring Leaders Kyle offers practical advice: stay curious, invest in networking, prioritize your well-being, and work for leaders or missions you believe in. He encourages security professionals to stay informed, take smart risks, and challenge outdated thinking with fresh, strategic approaches.
🎧 This episode is a must-listen for any security professional looking to build a meaningful, business-aligned career or for those ready to take the leap to the Next Level.

The Q2 Reset: 4 Questions to Refocus and Elevate Your Performance
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In this solo episode of the Next Level Podcast, host Jon Harris shares a personal and powerful message about hitting the reset button in Q2. Drawing from his coaching playbook and personal journey, Jon introduces a transformative but straightforward weekly practice: asking four core questions that drive clarity, growth, and consistency.
Whether you're a security leader, operator, athlete, or high achiever in any field, this episode is your mid-year wake-up call. If you’re ahead of your goals, double down. If you’ve fallen behind, it’s not too late. Q2 is your opportunity to correct the course and build unstoppable momentum.
Key Topics Covered:
- The importance of Q2 — and why it's often overlooked
- Four weekly reflection questions to keep you on track
- The Power–Purpose–Passion–Production Framework
- Real-life examples from coaching athletes and executives
- How Jon applies these strategies in his own life
- A challenge to take one action per week through June
Reflection Questions - Use Each Week:
1. What am I doing well?
2. What am I not doing well?
3. What am I not doing that, if I started, would it help me improve?
4. What did I learn this week?
🎯 Challenge for Listeners:
For the next 10 weeks, set aside 15 minutes every week to reflect. Choose one action. Apply it. Small wins build big momentum.

Next Level w/ Don Morron (Pt. 2)
In this episode, I sit down with Don Morron, a longtime security industry leader turned entrepreneur, to talk about the game-changing impact of AI agents on the security industry. We break down the massive value AI can bring—especially for SMBs—and how it’s reshaping security operations.
🔹 What we cover:
✅ How AI agents are transforming security operations 🔄
✅ The biggest opportunities for SMBs adopting AI solutions 💡
✅ Challenges in the market & how AI addresses them 🛠️
✅ Highland Tech’s launch and its vision for the future 🌎
💡 Don shares exciting news about the launch of Highland Tech and how his company is tackling security challenges with AI-driven automation.
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Next Level w/ Jenna Hardie
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🎙️ Next Level Podcast w/ Jenna Hardie
In this episode, Jon interviews Jenna Hardie to discuss how innovative marketing and communication strategies can help security companies stand out in a crowded industry.
🔹The Power of Storytelling in Security 📝 – Jenna shares how her background in journalism and reporting shaped her marketing approach.
🔹Innovative Marketing Strategies 🚀 – Why security companies must embrace new tools, platforms, and messaging techniques to differentiate themselves.
🔹Effective Communication for Industry Growth 📢 – The role of clear, compelling messaging in building trust and brand awareness.
🔹Jenna’s Unique Career Path 🔄 – From newsrooms to GSOCs, her journey offers valuable lessons for professionals looking to pivot and grow.
Jenna’s insights provide a fresh perspective on how marketing can elevate brands in the security space.
🎧 Tune in to learn how to sharpen your communication strategy and take your brand to the next level!
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Next Level w/ Judy Selby
🚀 Next Level Podcast w/ Judy Selby
In this episode, Jon sits down with Judy Selby, a legal cybersecurity expert, to break down the complexities of cyber risk management, cyber insurance, and the evolving threat landscape.
🔹 The Complexity of Cyber Insurance 🛡️ – Judy explains why cyber policies are among the most intricate and how businesses can navigate them effectively.
🔹 Evolving Cyber & Privacy Risks 🔍 – Rising lawsuits and regulatory challenges make staying informed more crucial than ever.
🔹 Proactive Risk Management ⚖️ – The importance of knowledgeable advisors and continuous learning in cybersecurity.
🔹 Judy’s Career Journey 🔄 – From practicing law to coaching and cyber insurance consulting, she shares how her blue-collar work ethic drives her success.
Judy’s insights provide actionable strategies for professionals navigating cybersecurity, legal risks, and insurance complexities.
🎧 Tune in to level up your understanding of cyber risk and stay ahead in an ever-changing industry!
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Next Level w/ Kody Hartlaub
In this episode of The Next Level Podcast, Jon sits down with Kody Hartlaub, a certified performance coach dedicated to helping young athletes unlock their full potential. While his work focuses on sports, his frameworks and strategies apply to all aspects of life—including leadership, business, and personal growth.
🔹 Purpose-Driven Performance: Kody shares how understanding your "why" fuels long-term success.
🔹 Lessons from At-Risk Youth: Insights from his experience working with young people facing adversity.
🔹 Tactics for Immediate Growth: Practical, actionable methods you can implement today to take your performance to the next level.
Kody’s approach bridges the gap between elite athletic performance and professional development, offering powerful insights that can elevate anyone looking to improve.
🎧 Tune in to discover how to apply high-performance principles to your career and life!
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Next Level w/ Angie Barnes
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This was a timely and amazingly enjoyable conversation with Angie. We had a wide-ranging conversation about growth, culture, and personal excellence. See a more detailed summary below.
🔑 Security Industry Career Transitions
Angie recounted her journey from advertising to managing a $35M portfolio at Brinks, and eventually her long tenure at NAVCO. She discussed how relationships and problem-solving have fueled her success and transferable skills. Both Jon and Angie celebrated the industry’s unique opportunity to positively impact humanity.
🤝 Mentorship and Leadership in the Industry
Jon and Angie stressed the value of mentorship, advocating for leaders who make it easier for others to thrive. They reflected on empowering younger professionals, particularly women, and the need for role models and advocates to foster inclusive growth within the industry.
📈 The Evolution of the Security Industry and Culture
Reflecting on two decades of technological shifts, Angie highlighted the progression from analog systems to cloud technology and predicted rapid mobile credential adoption. They underscored the significance of nurturing company culture, with Jon sharing insights on stay interviews and actionable strategies to ensure employees feel valued and recognized.
🏆 Retaining Top Talent and Building Diverse Teams
Drawing an analogy to Tom Brady’s departure from the Patriots, Angie illustrated the challenge of rebuilding high-performing teams. She emphasized investing in new talent while understanding individual motivations to align roles with passions. Jon highlighted the importance of balancing top performers with a diverse range of contributors to create dynamic and effective teams.
💻 Technology’s Impact on the Industry
Jon and Angie examined AI’s transformative potential, particularly in system integration and adoption. They encouraged young professionals to leverage networking, mentorship, and work-life balance, noting the importance of volunteering and building strong relationships to thrive in the evolving landscape.
🌐 Networking and Personal Relationships
Jon and Angie emphasized the power of networking in shaping their careers. Angie shared her experiences connecting with leaders at conferences, while Jon reflected on a pivotal career change sparked by a single conversation. They encouraged risk-taking, sharing knowledge, and fostering collaboration for professional growth.
⚡ Personal Growth and Professional Challenges
Angie shared her philosophy of “never wasting a failure,” inspired by a mentor, and detailed a humorous yet insightful anecdote about a customer meeting during a personal mishap. Jon opened up about feeling underutilized in his role, sparking a discussion about aligning professional goals with personal fulfillment.
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Talkin' Shop - Episode 2
Talkin' Shop - An Apex Performance Production
A collaboration with the 'Door Dork' Benji Bolick and 'Uncle' Baer Halverson.
In this monthly series, we will pick and discuss three security industry topics amongst ourselves.
Just three security dudes, hanging out, talkin' shop.
November questions:
- In reference to door and access security— what is the most important component to keeping your facility secure?
- How fast should we expect Convergence to get us to a place where what we have now is considered the past or unrecognizable? (aka - The Great Smushing)
- Will AI make a meaningful impact in the Security Industry in the next three years? If Yes, what piece of the industry is most impacted?

Talkin' Shop - September 2024
Talkin' Shop - An Apex Performance Production
A new collaboration with the 'Door Dork' Benji Bolick and 'Uncle' Baer Halverson
In this monthly series, we will discuss three security industry topics and discuss them amongst ourselves.
Just three security dudes, hanging out, talkin' shop.

Next Level w/ Lee Odess
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🔄💡 Digital Transformation and Industry Evolution
Lee and Jon explored the evolving landscape of their industry, focusing on the impact of digital transformation. With his marketing and business expertise, Lee emphasized the importance of adapting to these changes and integrating traditional systems with modern technologies. Jon acknowledged the industry's historical resistance to change but agreed that evolution is necessary for growth and competitiveness in the digital era.
🔗🖥️ Legacy Systems, New Technologies, and Customer Focus
The duo discussed balancing legacy systems with emerging technologies, stressing the importance of focusing on customer needs rather than just product features. Lee highlighted the opportunity to integrate old and new systems. At the same time, Jon pointed out the challenges with cloud-based access control systems, where customer inquiries often reveal a more profound need for remote access or digital key solutions.
🚪🚀 Disruptive Technology and Access Control Industry
Jon and Lee reflected on the disruptions occurring in the access control industry, with new players and shifting focuses among established companies. They discussed the decreasing importance of the middle technology layer and the critical role traditional access control providers still play. Both agreed that while these disruptions present challenges, they also open up opportunities for innovation and growth.
📢💼 Improving Marketing Strategies in Industry
The conversation turned to marketing, where Lee stressed the importance of improved storytelling and digital marketing efforts. The industry’s reliance on traditional, offline methods was seen as outdated, and both agreed on the need to invest in diverse marketing strategies, including social media, to remain competitive. Jon and Lee underscored the necessity of an integrated marketing plan that balances both online and offline approaches.
🌐🎪 Evolving Trade Shows for Global Brands
Lee and Jon discussed how trade shows and expos need to evolve in the post-COVID era, with a shift towards combining traditional and digital strategies. Lee suggested that regional, customized events could provide more value than large-scale expos. Both agreed that the US-centric model of the industry should adapt to better reach global audiences and realize new growth opportunities.
📅🔮 Long-Term Marketing Plan and Industry Optimism
In closing, Lee and Jon emphasized the importance of a long-term marketing strategy, believing that focused efforts could yield significant returns. They expressed optimism about the future of the industry, with global conversations offering potential for growth beyond current offerings. Lee encouraged active participation in shaping the industry’s direction and shared details of upcoming events to foster further engagement.
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Next Level w/ Andrew Campagnola
In this week's episode, Jon is joined by Andrew Campagnola.
Andrew is an industry vet with a fascinating background that blends technical acumen with sales leadership and innovative vision.
His experience and perspective on the security industry provide a refreshing and optimistic outlook for the future.
It was a great conversation and we look forward to having Andrew on again to continue the discussion
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Next Level w/ Adam & Jeff Groom
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Jon welcomed Jeff and Adam from Stratorsoft to discuss their diverse backgrounds and insights into the security technology industry. Jeff, with expertise in electronics engineering, computer science, and AI, and Adam, with extensive security industry experience, emphasized the impact of leadership development programs on their entrepreneurial journeys and the importance of integrating outside technologies to drive innovation.
🔍📚 Perspectives, Learning, and Innovation in Entrepreneurship and Security
Jon and Adam highlighted the importance of adaptability and continuous learning in entrepreneurship, especially during challenging times.
💡🚀 Rex.AI's Development and Future Plans
Adam explained the development of Rex.AI, a natural language interface that simplifies interactions with security systems. The team plans to enhance Rex to enable complex tasks through natural language commands, aiming to make security systems more user-friendly and efficient.
🤖🔄 AI Chatbots in Security Transformation
Jon addressed the slow adoption of new technologies in the security industry and the changing buyer persona, highlighting the universal benefits of AI chatbots. Jeff shared the origin story of Rex.AI, emphasizing its potential to revolutionize access control systems through natural language interactions.
🛠️🌐 Emphasizing User-Driven Development and Deployability
Jon emphasized the importance of building security into products by design and iterative development driven by user feedback. Jon and Adam stressed the advantages of user-friendly, deployable software and the trend towards more straightforward, more accessible interfaces.
🗣️🔄 Conversational Skills and AI Transformation in Security
Jon and Jeff discussed the significance of mastering conversational skills in an era dominated by conversational interfaces. They explored AI's potential to transform the security industry, highlighting the importance of digital identity and the role of generative AI in enhancing interoperability across systems.
🌐🤝 Building Conversational AI Community Strategy
Jeff expressed interest in building a community around conversational AI and open-sourcing projects. Jon offered to create a sub-community on his platform to foster collaboration and innovation, aiming to grow the community organically without charging members. (Stay tuned for more updates on this topic!)
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Next Level w/ Baer Halvorson
🔒🎓 Elevating Security Professionals: Insights from Baer
In this episode of the Next Level Podcast, Jon and Baer delve deep into the world of security, exploring the industry's journey, challenges, and opportunities.
🛠️ Baer's Journey and Mastery in Security
Baer shares his remarkable journey from locksmith apprentice to successful business owner, highlighting the valuable lessons learned along the way. Despite pandemic disruptions, Baer's resilience led him to launch a security-focused podcast and transition into a desk-based engineering role, showcasing the adaptability and entrepreneurial spirit crucial in the industry.
📚 Curiosity, Learning, and Specialization
Jon and Baer underscore the importance of curiosity and continuous learning in personal and professional growth. Baer's pursuit of mastery in locksmithing serves as a testament to the empowering nature of specialization and skill acquisition. The concept of "spears and shields" resonates, emphasizing the value of depth and expertise in chosen areas.
🚀 Addressing Talent Sector Challenges
The duo delves into the challenges facing the technical talent sector, including the shortage of skilled workers and cultural barriers. They advocate for showcasing the practical, physical aspects of the industry to attract younger technicians, ensuring a sustainable future for security professionals.
🔑 Preserving Craftsmanship and Industry Knowledge
Baer and Jon stress the importance of preserving craftsmanship and industry knowledge, which is essential for maintaining work quality and fostering excellence in the industry. They express concern about the aging workforce and emphasize the need to encourage and mentor the next generation of security professionals.
🔐 Balancing Security and Convenience
Baer and Jon explore the delicate balance between security and convenience, emphasizing the need for user-friendly security solutions that prioritize both. They discuss the future of technology in enhancing user experience while maintaining robust security measures.
🤝 Collaboration and Upskilling
Baer highlights the pivotal role of security professionals in preventing incidents and urges continuous learning and collaboration within the industry. Jon commends Baer's contributions and emphasizes the importance of upskilling security technicians to ensure their alignment with evolving security needs.
Tune in to gain valuable insights and strategies for navigating the dynamic landscape of the security industry and unlocking your full potential! 🌟🔒

Next Level w/ Don Morron
Join Jon and Don as they dive into an insightful conversation about the intersection of AI, personal branding, and the security industry. This episode explores the impact of artificial intelligence on society, the significance of personal branding, and the value of continuous learning and growth.
AI and Personal Branding 🤖✨
Impact of AI on Society: Jon and Don kick off the discussion by exploring how AI is transforming various industries, including security. They highlight the difference between automation and true machine learning.
Building a Strong Personal Brand: The hosts share their perspectives on the importance of personal branding for professional success. Jon emphasizes the engagement generated through his podcast, while Don discusses the benefits of launching his own podcast.
Unconventional Journeys and AI in Security 🚀🔐
Career Transitions: Jon and Don share their unconventional paths into the security industry, emphasizing the importance of passion and continuous learning.
AI’s Transformative Impact: The conversation delves into AI’s potential in security technologies, with Don providing expert insights on AI’s role in the industry.
Embracing Failure and Continuous Learning 📚💪
Personal and Professional Growth: Don reflects on his transition from sales to leadership, the challenges he faced, and the value of sales training and perseverance.
Adaptation and Awareness: Jon supports Don’s points by sharing his experiences, highlighting the necessity of personal awareness and adaptability in overcoming new challenges.
Growth Mindset for Success 🌱🏆
Staying Informed and Aligned: They discuss the importance of staying updated with new technologies and aligning personal development with one’s values.
Consistency and Confidence: They share personal stories of self-improvement and emphasize the need for consistency, distinguishing between arrogance and confidence.
AI’s Future and Embracing Change 🔮⚙️
Preparing for AI’s Impact: Jon and Don explore how individuals and companies can prepare for AI-driven changes, focusing on the potential of AI as an optimization tool in engineering and security.
Quantum Computing and Innovation: Don discusses the exponential growth of technology and the potential expansion of quantum computing.
Reimagining Roles: The hosts encourage listeners to envision themselves within the AI space, emphasizing the role of leadership in navigating AI advancements.
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Next Level w/ Benji Bolick
🎙️ Unlocking Success in the Security Industry: A Conversation with Benji
In this episode of the Next Level Podcast, Jon and Benji delve into the intricacies of the security industry, personal branding, and the power of resilience.
💼 Navigating Career Transitions and Resilience
Benji shares his remarkable journey from aspiring basketball player to world champion ballroom dancer, overcoming a degenerative nerve disease. His story underscores the importance of resilience, research, and elite performance in achieving professional success. Jon highlights Benji's journey's valuable lessons, especially for young professionals in the security industry.
🔐 Exploring the Door Hardware and Security Industry
Jon and Benji delve into Benji's passion for the door hardware and security industry, tracing his early experiences and the pivotal role of mentorship in shaping his career path. Benji's use of social media platforms like LinkedIn to stay connected and share industry insights has garnered him a significant following, showcasing the power of personal branding.
📱 Harnessing Social Media Engagement
The duo discusses the potential of social media engagement in amplifying an employer's reach and fostering industry connections. Benji's security industry expertise and insights into the future of AI and biometrics underscore the importance of staying ahead of industry trends and embracing innovative technologies.
🌟 Building Habits for Success
Benji underscores the importance of cultivating the right habits and channeling passion into industry success. His journey from ballroom dancer to "door dork" exemplifies the power of obsession and dedication in achieving professional excellence.
📘 Personal Development and Spiritual Growth
Jon and Benji explore the intersection of personal development, spirituality, and physical health, highlighting the importance of continuous learning and self-improvement. Their conversation underscores the value of sharing personal experiences and fostering a welcoming environment within the industry.
Tune in to gain valuable insights and strategies for navigating the dynamic landscape of the security industry and unlocking your full potential! 🚀🔒 #SecurityIndustry #PersonalBranding #Resilience
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Next Level with Kehkashan Dadwani
🎙️ Next Level with Kehkashan Dadwani
In this insightful episode, Jon and Kehkashan dive into the importance of effective communication for security professionals. Drawing from their own experiences, they explore various strategies and tips for enhancing communication skills, especially in the early stages of one's career.
💬 Effective Communication Strategies
Kehkashan shares her background in marketing and highlights the significance of concise and engaging communication to effectively convey ideas and deliverables to leaders and stakeholders. She emphasizes the value of having a marketing background for program managers, as it aids in building buy-in and understanding value propositions.
🤝 The Power of Mentorship and Goal Setting
Jon and Kehkashan discuss the pivotal role of mentorship in personal and professional development. They stress the importance of intentional mentorship relationships, spending time with mentors to improve skills, and setting clear goals to stay anchored and accountable in one's career journey.
🚀 Navigating Job Searches and Handling Rejection
Sharing insights from their own experiences, Jon and Kehkashan delve into the challenges of job searching, finding cultural fits, and handling rejection. They discuss maintaining a positive attitude, confidence, and resilience during the application and interview process despite setbacks.
🔧 Practical Application of Project Management in Security
Exploring the intersection of project management and security, Jon and Kehkashan discuss the practical implementation of Agile frameworks and effective communication strategies. They highlight the need for continuous learning and mastery in these areas to drive successful outcomes in security projects.
Tune in for a dynamic discussion packed with actionable insights and strategies for mastering communication skills in the security industry! 🌟🔒 #CommunicationSkills #SecurityProfessionals #ProfessionalDevelopment
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Next Level with Mary Gamble
🎙️ Empowering Women in Security: Insights from Mary Gamble
In this empowering episode of Next Level, Jon sits down with Mary Gamble, a trailblazing lawyer with a rich background in international business. Mary's transformative journey and advocacy for women in the security industry make for a captivating conversation filled with insights and inspiration.
💼 Navigating Professional Transitions
Mary shares her experiences of transforming her professional life multiple times, navigating the complexities of international business, and embracing new challenges with resilience and determination. Her journey is a testament to the power of adaptability and the pursuit of personal and professional growth.
👩⚖️ Empowering Women in Security
As an impactful voice for women in the security industry, Mary discusses the importance of representation, mentorship, and creating opportunities for women to thrive. She shares her insights on breaking barriers, overcoming challenges, and fostering a more inclusive and diverse industry landscape.
🌐 International Perspectives on Security
Drawing from her extensive experience in international business, Mary offers unique perspectives on security in a global context. She explores the interconnectedness of cultural differences and the importance of collaboration and cooperation across borders.
🌟 Leadership and Advocacy
Mary's leadership shines through as she discusses her advocacy efforts and the role of leaders in driving positive change. She emphasizes the importance of amplifying diverse voices, advocating for equity and inclusion, and championing initiatives that empower women in the security industry.
🚀 Next Steps and Future Initiatives
Jon and Mary discuss future initiatives and growth opportunities. They share their excitement for the security industry's future and the potential for continued collaboration and impact.
Tune in for an enlightening discussion on empowerment, leadership, and the future of security with Mary Gamble on "Next Level"! 🌟🔒 #EmpoweringWomen #SecurityIndustry #LeadershipInsights
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Next Level w/ Mark Dowdle
🎙️ Endurance Training, Leadership, and Running Challenges - Next Level with Mark Dowdle
In this dynamic episode, Jon and Mark delve into their personal journeys, philosophies on endurance training, and the transformative power of running. From transitions from college athletics to endurance pursuits to the mental resilience needed to tackle challenges, their conversation is packed with wisdom and inspiration.
💪 Endurance Training and Mental Toughness
Jon and Mark explore the intersection of endurance training and mental toughness. Drawing from their own experiences, they highlight the importance of social accountability, goal setting, and navigating transitions in pursuit of personal growth. They delve into how running is a therapeutic tool, providing solace, clarity, and self-reflection.
🏃♂️ Running Challenges and Growth Mindset
From braving harsh weather conditions to undertaking running challenges like the Calendar Club, Jon and Mark share their experiences of pushing physical and mental boundaries. They discuss the evolution of Mark's running challenges and the importance of mental resilience in achieving goals.
🌟 Pursuing Passions and Personal Fulfillment
Mark shares his journey of transitioning from a corporate role to pursue his passion for endurance running, emphasizing the importance of aligning personal values with career choices. Jon reflects on his entrepreneurial journey, highlighting the significance of taking risks and finding fulfillment in work.
🤝 Personal Philosophy and Commitment to Growth
Jon and Mark dive into their personal philosophies, stressing the importance of consistency, perseverance, and continuous learning. They discuss upcoming challenges, coaching events, and the mutual support that drives their pursuit of excellence.
Tune in for a captivating discussion on endurance, leadership, and the transformative power of running with Jon and Mark! 🏃♂️🌟 #EnduranceTraining #Leadership #RunningChallenges
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Next Level w/ Brittany Galli
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In this enlightening episode, Jon Harris sits down with Brittany Galli, a seasoned expert with over 15 years of experience in c-suite strategy and management consulting. With a focus on technology and data-driven approaches to foster innovation and organizational growth, Brittany shares her wealth of knowledge and insights on leadership in the security industry.
💼 Driving Innovation Through Technology
Brittany delves into her background in security technology, highlighting the importance of leveraging technology to drive innovation. She introduces the concept of security 'tech debt' and explores its implications on organizational strategies and growth.
🌟 Elegant Leadership Mentalities for the Future
Brittany is passionate about helping leaders raise the bar and adopt elegant leadership mentalities to navigate the complexities of the future. She offers invaluable insights into the evolving landscape of leadership in the security industry, emphasizing the need for agility, adaptability, and forward-thinking approaches.
🚺 Empowering Women in Security
As a woman in the security industry, Brittany shares her unique experiences and challenges, offering valuable perspectives on diversity and inclusion. She advocates empowering women and underrepresented groups to thrive in leadership roles, fostering a more inclusive and dynamic industry landscape.
🌱 Advice for Emerging Leaders
Drawing from her extensive experience, Brittany offers practical advice to young professionals and emerging leaders. She emphasizes the importance of continuous learning, resilience, and seizing opportunities for growth in an ever-changing industry.
Tune in for a captivating conversation packed with insights and wisdom from Brittany Galli as she illuminates the path to elevated leadership in security technology. 🌟🔒 #ElevatedLeadership #SecurityInnovation #EmpoweringLeadership
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Next Level w/ Jay Suggs
🎙️ "Leadership Illuminated: Insights and Strategies with Jay Suggs"
In a power-packed episode, Jon and Jay delve into the profound impacts of societal events on workplace diversity, leadership, and customer service. The discussion emphasizes the need for empathetic leadership, the positive aspects of team member departures, and the importance of professionalism in challenging situations.
🌐 Building Resilient Teams and Empowering Leaders
Jay and Jon explore the essentials of team dynamics, leadership, and retention. They underscore the significance of community within a team, emphasizing personal and professional support for team members. The conversation sheds light on the critical role leaders play in guiding teams through challenges, maintaining focus, and fostering a diverse and empowered workforce.
💼 Customer Service Excellence and True Leadership
The episode unfolds with a real-life customer service experience shared by Jon, sparking a dialogue on the transformative power of positive interactions. Jay emphasizes the need for selfless leaders, urging individuals to go beyond job descriptions and serve others. The duo agrees on the importance of consistent positive actions for sustained success.
🌟 Overcoming Fear and Creating a Purpose-Driven Corporate Culture
Jon and Jay delve into the impact of fear on leadership, advocating for honesty, vulnerability, and mentorship. They discuss the transformative power of gratitude and positive self-talk. The conversation extends to corporate umbrella concepts, emphasizing aligning organizational vision with day-to-day operations for enhanced success and community creation.
🚀 Sales Success and Leadership Insights
Jay and Jon cap off the episode with insights into successful sales, highlighting perseverance, humility, diplomacy, and emotional intelligence. They stress the value of unique perspectives and the importance of self-care and mental health for leaders.
Tune in for a masterclass on leadership, workplace dynamics, and customer service excellence with Jon Harris and Jay Suggs! 🚀🌟
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Next Level with Lindsay Martin-Nez
🎙️ Leadership Unveiled: A CEO’s Leadership Journey
Join Jon Harris, your guide to the Next Level, in a captivating episode featuring Lindsay Martin-Nez, the CEO of Badge Pass. In an intimate interview, Lindsay unfolds her remarkable journey into the security industry, a path that started with childhood exposure through her mother's business.
🚀 Lindsay's Journey to CEO: Overcoming Uncertainty
From initially resisting her mother's influence to becoming the CEO of Badge Pass, Lindsay shares the pivotal moments that shaped her trajectory. Discover the challenges she faced as a young woman in a male-dominated industry and the importance of confidence in the face of uncertainty. Lindsay's climb from Channel Manager to CEO serves as an inspiring testament to resilience and determination.
🌐 Company Culture: Key to Employee Retention
In a thought-provoking conversation, Jon and Lindsay delve into the significance of company culture. They explore how cultural fit impacts employee retention and the competitive advantage a strong culture provides. Lindsay emphasizes the value of giving everyone a voice, fostering a sense of contribution to something greater. The discussion concludes with insights into maintaining a cohesive culture across generations and the challenges and advantages of change in smaller organizations.
💼 Badge Pass's Evolution and Future Direction
Jon and Lindsay unravel the evolution of Badge Pass, a software company focused on identity management. From its roots as a systems integrator in 1976 to its current status as a software developer, Lindsay shares insights into their flagship Software as a Service platform. The discussion navigates the future of physical and mobile credentials, emphasizing the complementary role of both in security.
🌟 Career Advice and Workplace Dynamics
The episode culminates in a dynamic exchange of career advice and workplace dynamics. Lindsay's wisdom on owning skills, exploring opportunities, and embracing passion resonates, while Jon underlines the importance of constructive feedback and intentional leadership. Together, they encourage a culture of open communication, understanding, and continuous learning.
Tune in for an insightful journey into leadership, security, and company culture as Lindsay's story unfolds on the Next Level podcast." 🌟🌐 #LeadershipJourney #CompanyCulture #SecurityEvolution
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Running on Empty
Join Jon for this solo episode as he delves deep into the critical realm of mental health awareness in the security industry. In a poignant episode, Jon sheds light on security professionals' unique challenges, highlighting the constant stress of anticipating and responding to security threats.
With a personal commitment to run 100 miles in January for mental health awareness, Jon discusses his involvement in a leadership coaching and development program aimed at supporting industry professionals. He bravely shares his battles with unhealthy habits, such as alcohol consumption, underlining the profound impact on mental well-being.
🌟 Jon's Journey to Sobriety and Redemption
In a raw and honest revelation, Jon opens up about his own struggle with alcoholism, recounting a dark moment when he contemplated suicide. He details the turning point that led him to quit drinking, a decision prompted by the threat of losing his family. Jon's journey to sobriety is a testament to resilience and the transformative power of personal commitment.
🏃 Overcoming Addiction and Finding Purpose Through Running
Explore Jon's inspiring journey of overcoming addiction and discovering purpose through running. From failed attempts as a security supervisor to his current leadership roles, Jon emphasizes the significance of self-improvement and making a positive impact. He shares the role of running in coping with mental health struggles and encourages openness about challenges.
🤝 Community, Teamwork, and the Call to Action
Jon underscores the importance of teamwork and community within the security industry, urging those facing challenges to seek support. His motivational call to action resonates, inspiring everyone to advance a shared message of hope and achievement.
Tune in for an emotional and empowering episode that destigmatizes mental health challenges and encourages us all not to waste a single day! 🌐🛡️ #MentalHealthAwareness #MilesforMentalHealth #SecurityLeadershipJourney
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Next Level w/ Katie Greatti
🎙️ Guardians of Change: Navigating the Security Industry with Katie Greatti
In this dynamic episode, we explore the intricate tapestry of the security industry. Joined by Katie Greatti, Associate Director of Member Services at the Security Industry Association (SIA), shares profound insights into the evolving landscape.
Dive into the conversation as we unravel the importance of mentorship and apprenticeship programs, emphasizing the indispensable role of personal connections and the courage to take calculated risks.
Katie highlights the critical intersection of diversity and inclusion, underlining their transformative impact on the industry. We reflect on the imperative for companies to be transparent about career progression, offering guidance for professionals navigating their paths.
As the conversation unfolds, we propose initiatives to overcome industry challenges, envisioning a future where the security landscape is secure, progressive, and inclusive.
Tune in for a thought-provoking dialogue that transcends industry norms, providing a compass for those navigating the ever-evolving world of security. 🌐🛡️ #SecurityInsights #EmpoweringProfessionals #InclusiveSecurityLeadership
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Next Level with Johnson Fallah
Next Level with Johnson Fallah
🎙️ Breaking Barriers: From NCAA Division 3 Powerhouse to Division 1 Trailblazer
On this week’s episode, we're flipping the script and bringing you an inspiring conversation with Johnson Fallah.
Johnson, a recent graduate from the University of St Thomas, shares his journey as part of the UST football team during an unprecedented leap from NCAA Division 3 to Division 1.
Tune in as Johnson discusses the challenges and triumphs of being part of a team that transitioned from a Division 3 powerhouse to competing at the Division 1 level. Explore the resilience, teamwork, and dedication required for such a monumental shift in collegiate athletics.
While our usual focus is on security industry leaders, this episode offers a unique perspective on leadership, adaptability, and the pursuit of excellence in unexpected domains. Join us for a compelling conversation that transcends industries and highlights the power of determination in the face of unprecedented challenges.
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Next Level w/ Bert Hart
🎙️ From Confinement to Creativity In this illuminating episode of the Next Level Podcast, Bert Hart shares his transformative journey within the security industry. From navigating confining roles to embracing creative freedom, Bert's narrative is a testament to resilience and perseverance. He recounts his transition from financial instability to reaching a six-figure income, shedding light on the pivotal moments that defined their path. The conversation delves deep into the significance of resilience, emphasizing the value of talent over tenure in the workplace. Bert's insights on personal growth, energy, and self-belief offer a powerful narrative that resonates with the entrepreneurial shift in the security industry. They discuss the importance of unique design philosophies, iterating to perfection, and the evolution of companies in an ever-changing landscape. Jon and Bert reflect on past collaborations and the potential of AI tools, highlighting the necessity for companies to embrace change and break away from norms to foster innovation. The conversation culminates in a discussion about leadership, entrepreneurship, and the inspiring journey of a first-generation entrepreneur. Take advantage of this insightful exploration of creativity, resilience, and embracing change on the Next Level Podcast! 🚀✨ #EntrepreneurshipJourney #Resilience #Innovation Let's Go Do Great Things!
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Next Level w/ Erin Mann
🎙️ Exciting new episode alert on "Next Level"!
🌟 Join me in a captivating conversation with the incredible Erin Mann, an access control enthusiast and a powerhouse in the security industry!
🔒 We dive deep into her professional journey, highlighting the pivotal role of mentors and the transformative power of mentorship.
🤝 Discover the heartwarming insights on becoming a mentor and the profound impact of kindness in relationship-driven business.
🌟Erin's story is not just inspiring; it's a testament to the importance of community and lifting others up. Don't miss out on this empowering episode with a dear friend! 🚀
#NextLevelLeadership #AccessControl #MentorshipMagic 🗝️👩💼
Let's go do great things!
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Next Level w/ Jon Perillo
🎙️ This week on Next Level podcast, we delved into the world of security leadership with Jon Perillo!
He introduced the innovative leadership concept: the "Spear and Shield" 🗡️🛡️, unveiling its profound impact.
🌟 We explored the crucial role of mentorship 👥 and how continuous development 📈 shapes great leaders.
Tune in for a riveting discussion that's sure to inspire and empower! 🔒🚀 #NextLevelLeadership
Let's go do great things!
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5 Habits for Next Level Leadership
As performance coaches who work with elite leaders, we understand the importance of developing impactful habits to improve leadership skills. Habits are the building blocks of our daily routines and play a significant role in shaping our personal and professional lives.
In this solo episode, Jon breaks down FIVE daily habits that will help you become a more effective and successful leader.

Next Level w/ The Kindness Games (Tim & Lee)
I have been waiting to do this episode for a while, and I am so excited that we finally made it work.
Lee Oughton and Tim Wenzel, co-founders of The Kindness Games, stop by to discuss their upcoming book (purchase it here: https://amzn.to/3u1gwHG), the origin of The Kindness Games, how it has changed over the past few years, and how it has impacted them.
I am beyond blessed to call these two my friends; nay, my brothers - we laugh, cry, and smile. You will undoubtedly enjoy this conversation as much as I did!
For more information about The Kindness Games, check our their website: https://thekindnessgames.com/

Next Level w/ Tristin Vaccaro
This will be an EXCITING and NEW topic for many - I'm incredibly pleased to have Tristin Vaccaro on the show.
Tristin is one of the best marketing and communication minds I have ever worked with; she has a unique perspective and is unafraid to take chances.
We dive into all topics, such as the future of print media in the Security Industry, the use of Social Media, building a personal brand, and much more.
Make sure you connect w/ Tristan on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/tristinvaccaro/
Let's Go Do Great Things!

Next Level w/ Scot Walker & Carlos Francisco
Highlight
"The industry needs to move on from the 1950s idea of security and adapt to the modern world." - Carlos Francisco
🎙 ️ Introduction
- Guests
- Carlos Francisco and Scot Walker from Corporate Security University
- Topic
- Leadership development in the security industry
🚀 Opportunities and Challenges
- Embrace AI, automation, and machine learning in management
- Adapt to the modern world and move away from outdated security concepts
🔧 Tools for Development
- Utilize technology to accelerate learning and adaptation
- Focus on industry-targeted education, adaptability, collaboration, strategic thinking, and self-awareness
🤝 Communication and Collaboration
- Listen to partners and understand their needs to provide value
- Create a safe environment that integrates security into the organization's DNA
🎓 Corporate Security University
- Importance of bridging the gap between uniformed security officers and security leaders
- Emphasis on soft skills and customer-centric approach
💡 Leadership and Authenticity
- Be authentic and embrace diversity in leadership
- Kindness Games as a positive example of empathy and love in the industry
📚 Resources and Books
- "Leading Relentlessly" by Stan Partlau
- Carlos Francisco's books on corporate security
🔮 Future of Security Industry
- Adapt to changing times, embrace online resources and new technologies
- Focus on inclusive and diverse leadership, empathy, and love in security
- Prepare for potential crises and operate without relying on government support
💡 Final Thoughts
- Leaders must be comfortable with change and adapt to the evolving security industry
In Closing
"There is a need for more inclusive and diverse leadership, as well as a focus on empathy and love in security." - Scot Walker
Get in touch with Scot & Carlos:
https://www.corporatesecurityuniversity.com/
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3 Big Ideas from Justin Gatlin

Next Level with Erwin van de Weerd
In this episode, we sit down with Erwin van de Weerd - a shooting star in the security industry and an absolute dynamo.
🗣 ️ Big Idea:
"Opportunities don't come to you. You create them." - Erwin
🎯 Key Points
- Importance of having a clear career plan and setting goals.
- The value of mentorship and networking in career development.
💡 Mentorship and Networking
- Mentors provide guidance and skill development.
- Networking creates opportunities and connections within the industry.
🎯 Key Takeaways
- Be curious and bold in your career growth.
- Focus on intentional learning and development.
- Seek guidance from experienced professionals and refresh your mentor list as needed.
🌐 Networking Tips
- Be more interested than interesting.
- Add value to others without expecting anything in return.
- Set micro goals for networking events.
🤝 GSX Experience
- Networking at events like GSX can lead to connections and opportunities.
- Pre-event networking makes the experience more inclusive.
- Multiple mentors from different sectors provide a well-rounded perspective.
🗣 ️ In Closing:
"Be curious, be bold. Do your learning and development. Start that plan, and last parties get a mentor or get to." - Erwin

3 Keys to Career Growth
In this episode, I deliver 3 Big Ideas for jump-starting career growth!
3 🔑 Keys to Career Growth
- 🧭 Have a Plan - chart your course; without a destination, any path with do. (Not what you want!)
- 🧠 Get a Mentor - there is someone who has done what you want to do or already is where you want to go. Seek them out and ask for help!
- 📡 Build a Network - connect with like-minded people committed to development and achieving Next Level success. Find your tribe!

Next Level with Tim Wenzel (Live from GSX 2023)

Next Level with Mike Brzozowski
I am SUPER excited about this conversation with the one and only Mike B.!
Mike and I go way back and go deep and wide in this discussion. Something tells me this won't be the last time we record together.
Enjoy!
🌟 Highlight
"Skills like money grow over time with consistent investment." - Michael Brzozowski
📚 Learning and Professional Development
- Emphasis on continuous learning and understanding the business side of security
- Both Michael and Jon pursued MBAs for a deeper understanding of business and risk management
🚀 Career Growth and Opportunities
- Importance of being a business person who understands security
🔐 Security Industry Challenges
- Slow adoption of new ideas and frameworks
- Need for a mindset shift in security programs
🔐 Security Mindset and Culture
- Focus on creating a positive security culture and making everyone feel like a security champion
💬 Exciting Quotes
- "Security is a team sport."
- "If you're not growing, you're dying in business."
- "The seven most dangerous words in business are 'we've always done it this way.'"
- Importance of investing in oneself and understanding the business side of security
- Invest in yourself, understand the business side of security, and keep learning
📚 Continuous Learning and Professional Development
- Importance of investing in oneself and understanding the business side of security
🎯 Advice for Young Professionals
- Invest in yourself, understand the business side of security, and keep learning
🙌 In Closing
"Our job is to keep the business in business." - Jon Harris.

Courage through the Chaos

Going Next Level w/ Tyler Schmoker
🎙 ️ Highlight
"I gained a level of curiosity, professionally, that I'd never had before. And also learning to not take myself too seriously." - Tyler Schmoker
Jon Harris and Tyler Schmoker discussed the importance of adapting to new roles and opportunities in the security industry, leveraging technology and automation for growth, and engaging with younger generations through social media and digital platforms.
Key takeaways included embracing change, having an "ego death," and learning from other industries to improve the security industry.
Action items for security professionals and the industry include setting goals, attracting young top talent, and being open to learning from other industries.
You can find Tyler on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/tyler-schmoker-mpa-76997756/
Follow Jon on Twitter, Instgram, and Threads: @jfharris333

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