
TIE Unearthed
By Philippa White
This is the show where we unearth new ways of looking at ever evolving life around the world. Seen from a number of different industries, cultures, and backgrounds. And there’s one thing that unites everyone I speak to.
They all want to do their part to make the world better in their own unique ways. It’s a uniting passion.
Whether they’re from the commercial world, third sector, or public sector. From the Global North or the Global South.
If you’re looking for inspiration that will get you thinking in new ways, then come on this journey with me.

TIE UnearthedNov 04, 2022

🎉 Ep:#100: Philippa Takes the Hot Seat! 🎉
What happens when the interviewer becomes the interviewee?
To celebrate the 100th episode of TIE Unearthed, the tables have turned! In this special milestone episode, Philippa is joined by her friend Juliana Xavier, who takes the lead in a heartfelt and fascinating conversation about Philippa’s extraordinary journey—from her upbringing across South Africa, Canada, Thailand, UK, and Brazil, to founding TIE.
Philippa reflects on her family’s profound influence, including her father’s work as a specialist anesthesiologist and her uncle’s role as one of Nelson Mandela’s physicians. While her family focused on helping people through medicine, Philippa charted her own path, first in advertising and later as the founder of TIE, driven by a passion for helping professionals break out of their monotonous routines and develop skills that create a more sustainable private sector—and a better world.
But that’s not all—Juliana has gathered reflections and questions from Philippa’s friends, colleagues, and participants in TIE’s transformative programs, including former podcast guests. Their insights and memories add a rich, personal dimension to this milestone celebration.
✨ What you’ll discover in this conversation:
- The pivotal moments that shaped Philippa’s purpose-driven career and life.
- The power of stepping out of your comfort zone to embrace change and innovation.
- How cross-sector collaboration can spark global solutions.
- Philippa’s reflections on resilience, growth, and what success truly means.
- Heartwarming and inspiring tributes from those who know her best.
This episode is packed with wisdom, inspiration, and heartfelt stories that celebrate 100 episodes of making a difference—and the incredible woman at the heart of it all.
So, grab a cuppa or take us along on your walk, and get ready to meet the person behind the mic like never before. 🎧
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Ep:#99 Intentional Living at Work: Beth Stallwood’s Guide to Joy and Progress
What if work didn’t feel like… work?
Imagine a workday that energises you instead of draining you.
A career where intention, joy, and purpose lead the way.
In this week’s episode of TIE Unearthed, I’m joined by the brilliant Beth Stallwood—coach, author, and founder of Create WorkJoy—to dive into how to transform your relationship with work.
From her childhood days starring in a Heinz ketchup commercial (yes, really!) to creating a purpose-driven business, Beth’s journey is both inspiring and relatable. In this conversation, she shares her wisdom and practical tools to help you: ✨ Infuse joy into your work through small, actionable steps—no perfection required. ✨ Shift from negativity to intentionality and transform your mindset. ✨ Reflect on where you are, where you want to be, and how to bridge the gap. ✨ Escape chronic WorkGloom using Beth’s powerful 3 P’s framework.
This isn’t just about work—it’s about living your life with intention, unlocking progress over perfection, and reclaiming joy in what you do.
Grab your favorite beverage or take us along on your walk, and let’s dive into WorkJoy together. 🎧
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🎙️Ep: #98 Revolutionising Leadership: Insights from Global HR Powerhouse Susy Martins
What does it take to lead in a world where connection and belonging are shifting before our eyes?
How do leaders need to adapt to a workforce that’s increasingly hybrid, and where the next generation of talent expects so much more?
I’m thrilled to reconnect with Susy Martins, a friend from university and an inspiring leader with a career that has spanned over 20 countries and some of the biggest names in business, from GE to Clearco.
Susy’s journey from corporate powerhouses to founding her own HR consultancy is packed with valuable insights for today’s evolving workplace.
Together, we explore Susy’s transition from leading large teams with million-dollar budgets to building her own business.
We talk about the new paradigm of “conscious unbossing” and how it’s shaping future leadership.
She shares eye-opening stats on connection and belonging in remote work—and why it’s a wake-up call for leaders.
We hear how organizational network mapping is revealing hidden insights about engagement. And then the shifts in leadership the next generation demands—and how we can adapt.
And Susy shares her key to success and a simple yet transformative framework that’s shaped her career.
If you want to foster a more connected, engaged, and agile workforce, this episode is for you. Grab your favourite drink, lace up those running shoes, and here is Susy!
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Ep:#97 Unlocking Intuition: The Science, the Spirit, and the Hidden Power Within Us All
How does connecting with the real world connect us to our unconscious mind?
Why is learning to harness our intuition considered one of the greatest superpowers at our disposal?
And in what way is intuition both scientifically proven and deeply spiritual?
Today, we’re exploring the hidden power of intuition—a concept often regarded as mysterious or “woo-woo,” yet grounded in a wisdom that transcends the rational.
My guest, Hrund Gunnsteinsdóttir, is an Icelandic author, filmmaker, and leading voice in sustainability who has shaped her life and career across diverse fields, sparking change through her unique blend of insights.
Hrund’s journey is nothing short of remarkable. From community-driven post-conflict reconstruction work in Kosovo to confronting burnout in the UN, she has navigated intense experiences that ultimately led her to embrace intuition and purposeful connection as guiding forces.
Today, she’ll share practical ways to tap into your own intuition—and why sometimes we need to tune into a different rhythm to find our way forward.
By the end of this episode, you’ll understand why intuition is a powerful tool for navigating our fast-paced, complex world.
If you’ve ever wondered how intuition fits into our modern, data-driven lives or how it might be the secret to both personal fulfilment and groundbreaking innovation, this episode is for you.
So, wherever you are, let’s delve into this fascinating conversation with Hrund and uncover the transformative power of intuition.
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And to reach out to Hrund, you can find her here:
Website - www.hrundgunnsteinsdottir.com
InnSæi with Hrund Gunnsteinsdóttir - Newsletter https://substack.com/@hrund
Linkedin www.linkedin.com/in/hrundgunnsteinsdottir
And here is Hrund's TED talk - go.ted.com/hrundgunnsteinsdottir

Ep:#96 Will AI help us build a better world—or destroy it, with Joe Fennell 🤖
For most of us, AI became an everyday reality when ChatGPT hit the scene in November 2022. But Joe Fennell, my guest on this week’s TIE Unearthed podcast, has been wrestling with AI’s challenges and opportunities long before that.
In today's episode we dive deep into AI ethics, exploring questions like:
Can AI be a force for good?
How do we prevent it from widening global inequalities?
And what guardrails are crucial to keep our world safe?
Joe’s journey began when he realised that AI was going to transform the future—he even changed career plans from law to philosophy of AI and ethics. Now, he’s just graduated from the University of Cambridge’s first-ever Mphil cohort studying the 'Ethics of AI, Data, and Algorithms.'
We talk about everything from AI's role in global power dynamics, to fuzzy robots helping kids learn, and even how AI might reshape healthcare.
Plus, we dig into Joe's work with the UN Mission in Kosovo, using AI to empower young people and keep them safe from scams and threats in the digital world.
This is one of the most thought-provoking conversations I’ve had. If you're curious about how AI can be used as a social catalyst, how it might impact society at large—or what you should specifically be worried about—this episode is for you.
🎧 Tune in now to Episode 96 of TIE Unearthed.
If you’d like to get in touch with Joe, you can find him here joe.fennell@thegrowthhouse.co.uk or here joefennell.com
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Ep: #95 Dignity in the Dirt: Formalizing Artisanal Mining for a Sustainable Future with Rob Karpati
What does it mean to align purpose with business, and why is artisanal mining key to a sustainable future?
In today’s TIE Unearthed episode, we’re joined by Rob Karpati, a leader whose impressive career in global finance took a purposeful turn toward driving social impact.
As a partner at The Blended Capital Group, Rob is on a mission to reshape artisanal mining—an industry that plays a critical role in the global energy transition.
We’ll explore how artisanal mining, which accounts for 20% of the world’s gold and significant portions of essential minerals, can be formalised to improve not just environmental outcomes, but also the dignity and livelihoods of millions in underdeveloped regions.
Rob takes us through the collaborative opportunities between artisanal miners and larger industries, the potential for building trust with communities, and why professionalizing this sector is the future of sustainable business.
From human rights to climate change, Rob reminds us that business is, at its core, about people. He shares how his own journey from corporate finance to championing responsible mining was driven by the belief that creating social value isn’t charity—it’s a competitive advantage.
Tune in for a deep dive into the future of mining, the importance of stakeholder collaboration, and why real impact starts with human connection.
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Ep:#94 Why Do So Many Incompetent Men Become Leaders with Dr. Tomas Chamorro-Premuzic
Meritocracy would be a nice idea, but there is no evidence that leadership selection is meritocratic.
We live in a world where men succeed because of their incompetence, and women fail because of their competence.
So, what does progress look like?
It is not about making it easy for competent women to succeed.
Instead, progress is making it harder for incompetent men to succeed in the first place.
If you would like to understand how the word authenticity has been weaponised in mainstream discussions.
Why you should not be yourself.
And the reason gender diversity in business isn’t for the benefit of women – then you really do need to listen to this episode with Dr Tomas Chamorro-Premuzic.
Tomas is the Chief Innovation Officer at ManpowerGroup, Professor of Business Psychology at University College London and Columbia University, co-founder of deepersignals.com, and an associate at Harvard’s Entrepreneurial Finance Lab.
And he is the author of 12 books – which includes Why Do So Many Incompetent Men Become Leaders? (and How to Fix It).
This is a conversation that turns so much conventional thinking on its head. My favourite type of conversation!
So if you’re keen to understand how not to lead to the economic decline of your company, this thinking will probably be helpful.
So throw on those running shoes or find that favourite beverage, and here is Tomas.
If you’d like to find out more about Tomas’ books and check out his TED talk, you can here:
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Ep: #93 The challenges around culture and periods with Femme International’s Sia Towo
Ever wondered about the unseen struggles that young girls face around the world when it comes to menstruation, especially in remote areas? 🌍
In this eye-opening episode of TIE Unearthed, I sit down with Sia Towo, the Managing Director of Femme International in Tanzania, to delve deep into the challenges around culture and periods.
Sia, with nearly eight years of experience working on grassroots initiatives across East Africa, sheds light on the harsh realities that many young girls endure due to lack of education and cultural stigmas surrounding menstruation.
From the remote villages where girls are left uninformed about puberty, to the heartbreaking truth of young girls being forced into early marriage simply because they've started menstruating, Sia paints a vivid picture of the challenges they face. We discuss how these deeply ingrained cultural practices need to be rethought, especially when they infringe upon basic human rights.
But it’s not just about the challenges—Sia shares stories of resilience and progress, highlighting the tangible impact that education and access to menstrual products can have on a girl’s life.
And then, what is a crucial part of the solution to change. It’s not what you would expect.
So, whether you’re commuting, sipping your morning coffee, or winding down for the day, tune in to hear Sia’s powerful insights and learn how we can all play a part in breaking down these barriers.
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Ep: #92 Empowering L&D Leaders for C-Suite Conversations with Cathy Hoy
We know people-first companies are more competitive. BUT, for that to be possible, we need the L&D bods to be confident, have a voice, and have a place at the table.
This is the KEY to ensure that the culture of companies is heading in the right direction.
So, who is getting the L&D people ready for the C-suit conversations? 🤔
Today I’m speaking with my friend Cathy Hoy, a seasoned learning leader with over two decades of experience in Learning and Organisational Development.
After working for big corporates like Tesco, Coke, and Expedia, Cathy co-founded and now runs CLO100, which focuses on developing those who develop others.
CLO100 provides Community Membership and the Learning Leaders Programme, a programme dedicated to the development of L&D leaders, equipping them with the tools and knowledge they need to create high-performing learning organisations. 🏆
In this episode Cathy highlights the power of learning from failures, creating safe communities for support, and the importance of well-being in the workplace.
Her experience in transforming the culture of a 500k-strong workforce at Tesco offers incredible insights into making behavioural changes part of an organization’s DNA.
And don’t miss her tips on combatting low trust, high absenteeism, and disengagement in today’s business world.
So throw on those running shoes, or grab that favourite beverage, and here is my friend Cathy.
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And to watch Cathy Hoy's recommended TED Talk (mentioned in the episode) you can here: The Happy Secret to Better Work by Shawn Achor

Ep: #91 Geology Meets Empathy: Transforming the Future of Mining with Dr. Haydon Mort
I love mining companies – said no one, ever. This is a problem, right?
These essential minerals have a critical role in the energy transition; but we don’t want them mined. And few people, as a result of this negative image, want to go into the industry.
How is it ever going to evolve and be more sustainable?
This is the conundrum we are talking about on today’s episode of TIE Unearthed. I am joined by Dr. Haydon Mort, a British Earth Scientist with over 15 years of research and lecturing experience, and the visionary founder of Geologize Ltd. With a PhD from Switzerland and a post-doc from the Netherlands, Haydon leads a globally acclaimed training program that reaches over 200,000 scientists.
In this episode, Haydon emphasises the critical role of effective communication in the geosciences, underscoring how humanity and empathy can drive understanding and responsible behaviour in our increasingly interconnected world.
We explore how his deep dive into neurology led to innovative teaching methods, making his university lectures wildly popular. And now, as a trainer for geoscientists and engineers, why he champions the integration of empathy and psychological insights to engage the public effectively.
So, throw on those running shoes or find that favourite beverage, and join us as we uncover how personal journeys shape professional paths and the transformative power of diverse perspectives in science and beyond.
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Keen to find out more about Haydon and his work?
You can find the Geologize website here:
And email haydon here: haydon@geologize.org

Ep:#90 From Systems to People: Oliver Banks on Human-Centered Leadership
Welcome to Episode 90 of the TIE Unearthed podcast!
Today, I’m thrilled to feature Oliver Banks, an expert consultant who works with senior leaders to transform retail and consumer-facing businesses.
Ollie's career began with designing intricate systems in engineering, driven by a childhood curiosity for how things work. Seeking a more dynamic and people-focused role, he pivoted to retail with Tesco, the UK's largest supermarket.
Now, as a consultant, he advises on navigating transformation and the ever-evolving world of retail.
In this episode, we explore what true transformation means and why a human-centric approach is crucial in retail.
Ollie shares his thoughts on the industry’s responsibility to cultivate future leaders, hybrid working, and the delicate decisions of company policies when considering variables such collaboration, trust, and mental health.
We also discuss leadership, engagement, and the power of courage, with Ollie reading an excerpt from his book.
This episode is a treasure trove of wisdom and practical advice for anyone interested in transformation and leadership.
Join us as we uncover the mosaic of Oliver Banks' career and the invaluable lessons he's learned along the way. Let's dive in!
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Ep:#89 Lessons in Grit with Milla Chaplin Rae
Listen as we explore her profound experience with the TIE Leadership program, and how it became the catalyst for her next life chapter and her compelling book.
Milla opens up about the emotional depths of her time in Myanmar during the military coup, the whirlwind of life abroad, and how these experiences reignited her passion for writing.
We also discuss the realities of reverse culture shock, the journey of writing her book Not Quite to Plan amidst its traumatic content, and the universal lessons learned through immersive experiences.
Milla provides practical advice for navigating difficult moments, offers a heartfelt glimpse into the often unspoken aspects of parenting, and reveals the magic formula of grit that played a crucial role in her story.
Tune in for insights on finding fulfilment and purpose in corporate roles, the power of adaptability, and a sneak peek into her second book.
Then we wrap up with the invaluable wisdom of Jon Steel: "If the role you’re in doesn’t leave you or your company a little nervous, you’re not pushing yourself hard enough."
Expect profound reflections, inspiring advice, and a celebration of resilience and creativity.
So throw on those running shoes, or grab that favourite beverage, and here is Milla.
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And you can follow Milla on instagram here: millarae_writes.

Ep:#88 Coach yourself confident with Julie Smith
Many of us wrestle with self-doubt. Whether it leaves us exhausted by over-preparing for things, or feeling frustrated and unfulfilled because it's holding us back. Join me on this episode of TIE Unearthed as I engage in a conversation with Julie Smith, the bestselling author of 'Coach Yourself Confident.' Julie's journey from corporate life at Mars and PepsiCo to founding Talent Sprout is truly inspiring. Throughout our discussion, we delve into the motivations behind Julie's focus on confidence in her book, exploring its complexities and how it evolves. We also uncover the often-overlooked pitfalls of over-preparation and overwork driven by self-doubt. Julie generously shares invaluable tips for mastering presentations, navigating the "self-doubt tax”, as she calls it, and then vividly depicts her own journey of writing the book. As we wrap up, Julie leaves us with a poignant quote on confidence saboteurs, emphasising the importance of embracing authenticity and staying true to ourselves. Expect insightful reflections, practical advice and some stories to bring all of this to life. So throw on those running shoes, or grab that favourite beverage, and here is Julie. Please don’t forget to let us know what you think of this episode, leave a review and subscribe. If you would like to be reminded of future podcasts and other inspiring stories from TIE, join our newsletter here. If you would like to order Return on Humanity: Leadership lessons from all corners of the earth, you can do that here. And if you would like to order Coach Yourself Confident, you can do that here.

Ep:#87 The transformative power of art with Pietra Mello-Pittman MBE
But that's just the beginning.
Get ready for a backstage pass into the mesmerising world of "Inala" – the Zulu Ballet, a Grammy Nominated sensation co-created by Pietra and her visionary partner, Ella Spira. From the glittering lights of the West End to standing ovations around the globe, their work not only captivates audiences but earns them the prestigious MBE honours.
We get to hear about the grand renaissance as "Inala" returns as a permanent fixture in London's iconic West End, adorned with revolutionary designs and sets made of biodegradable materials, a testament to Pietra and Ella's unwavering commitment to pushing boundaries.
Join us as we unravel the tapestry of Sisters Grimm, the creative powerhouse behind it all, dedicated to weaving tales that transcend borders and celebrate diversity.
Throughout our conversation, Pietra imparts invaluable lessons on purpose, collaboration, and resilience, igniting sparks of hope and possibility.
This episode is not just a conversation—it's a beacon of light, illuminating the endless possibilities when passion meets purpose.
So, join us on this unforgettable journey filled with opportunity and an insight to the transformative power of art with Pietra.
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If you’d like to know more about the Inala relaunch, click here: sisters-grimm.co.uk/inala-2024-west-end-relaunch/
Click here for more about Sister’s Grimm productions: sisters-grimm.co.uk/productions/
To learn more about UK Art in Nature click here: www.ukartinnature.com

Ep:#86 The secret to Coffee & TV’s extraordinary success with Derek Moore
In an industry often dominated by relentless pursuit of profit and growth, Coffee and TV charts a different course, prioritising a deep-seated belief in the power of nurturing a supportive, family-like environment.
Since its inception, this unique company has steadfastly refused to follow the conventional path laid out by corporations driven by financial metrics, choosing instead to grow at a pace dictated by artists and creative minds.
And the result?
Not only being a highly sought after creative studio to work at, but also being a profitable multi-million pound b-corp business.
What is their secret sauce?
Today Derek Moore, CEO of Coffee and TV, tells us.
We learn about their commitment to being a force for good and how they have created an electrifying atmosphere that transcends the traditional employer-employee dynamic, leading to ground-breaking creativity and innovation.
So throw on those running shoes, or find that favourite beverage, and here is Derek.
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Here are the ads he refers to on the podcast:
https://coffeeand.tv/work/no-room-for-racism/
https://coffeeand.tv/work/spring-2024/
https://coffeeand.tv/work/meta-for-work/

Ep:#85 Ruth Shaber on the key to delivering predictable financial returns
Did you know that 90% of the world’s money is controlled and invested by white men?
Did you also know that when women are at the table, investment returns are proven to be higher?
This is a conversation that will bring to life how portfolios can predictably outperform the market.
It also shines a spotlight on a truly broken system.
Recognising the stark disconnect between philanthropic grant dollars and how the rest of foundation assets are invested, Ruth Shaber wanted to do things differently with the Tara Health Foundation.
Their bold intention was to utilise all capital, not just grant money, towards driving their social purpose of improving the lives of women and girls.
This was about being 100% mission aligned.
BUT, this was just the beginning of this journey. What they discovered next was not only fascinating, but game changing.
It was also the catalyst to Ruth co-writing The XX Edge: Unlocking Higher Returns and Lower Risk.
Ruth Shaber is the founder and president of Tara Health Foundation, a philanthropic investment group that uses evidence-informed programs to promote women's well-being and opportunities.
She is also on a mission to increase the assets managed by gender-diverse and racially-diverse teams to 33 percent by 2033.
Today we hear about all of this.
It's a conversation packed full of proof points, stats and solid arguments that gender-diverse teams significantly outperform the market – predictably.
If you invest money – then you need to listen to this episode.
What was once considered radical is now a beacon of hope for a more inclusive and equitable future.
So throw on those running shoes, or grab your favourite beverage, and here is Ruth.
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For more insights into Ruth Shaber’s work and the Tara Health Foundation, you can visit their website here.

Ep:#84 Christian Hunt on putting ourselves in the shoes of those people we are trying to influence
This is a story that starts with a rogue trader.
And then moves to what happens when you truly empathise with the other side of an equation.
Today I speak with Christian Hunt, the founder of Human Risk, a Behavioural Science led Consulting and Training Firm, specialising in the fields of Ethics and Compliance. And Author of Humanizing Rules.
After Christian started to “eat his regulatory cooking” after implementing it at the financial services firm UBS, his life took an interesting turn.
He started to focus entirely on people’s behaviour, on what makes them tick, and what gets them doing the things they shouldn’t, and neglect to do the things they should.
In this episode we talk about Danny Boyle and the Olympics, and how his opening show was a powerful example of how to get people to do things you want them to do.
Christian talks about how to get the best out of people.
We hear how the airline industry can teach us a lot about compliance.
And then Christian brings to life how the move from authoritarian leadership to a more empowering style of leadership, although the way forward, poses more organisational risk.
There is talk of the importance of experimenting, we hear where AI fits into all of this and the importance of thinking about the overall employee experience.
He then leaves us with not only his most important philosophy, but also two great songs that bring to life his thinking.
I promise you – this podcast about compliance is anything but boring. Even though it is rooted in one of the most boring subjects of all time! 😊
So throw on those running shoes, or grab your favourite beverage, and here is the very entertaining Christian.
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Here are the songs he references on the show:
Higher by The Saturdays
Spotify Link:
"I'm doing nothing 'Cause then at least I'm doing nothing wrong"
Elegantly Wasted by INXS
Spotify Link:

Ep:#83 the power of human assets to prevent child trafficking
When someone has lived around the world as a young person, what sort of job do they go into as an adult?
And what happens when someone sees something that then impacts them on a visceral level?
Today I speak with Lucy McCray, CEO at the Freedom Story. The Freedom Story is an organization that works to prevent child trafficking in Northern Thailand.
As a child growing up, Lucy became very aware of inequality, the raw reality for people experiencing poverty, and how where someone is born can dictate one’s life path.
These realisations started to shape her life’s purpose.
She talks about her move to Thailand, where she started to understand what statelessness means, and the implications of someone not having citizenship in any country in the world.
We hear about the real reason for people being trafficked, what prevents trafficking from happening and how to prevent abuse and exploitation from taking place.
Lucy talks about pity-based marketing versus stories that are more dignified for everyone.
And then we move to the shocking truth of well-known brands who have been caught having child trafficking in their supply chains.
Lucy tells us about a brand-new form of trafficking, which when you hear it, will realise you are exposed to it almost daily.
And then how creating unlikely partnerships is providing a powerful anti-trafficking solution. It’s fascinating.
This conversation proves that together we are stronger. And by thinking out of the box and giving people agency, you can scale impact.
This is a podcast rooted in hope. Showing the power of purpose. And that when you tap into human assets, anything is possible.
So grab that favourite beverage or throw on those running shoes, and here is Lucy.
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Ep:#82 The most effective way to solve complex problems with Barbara Soalheiro
Where should we first look to find solutions to a problem?
What is one of the most effective ways to unleash a person’s potential?
What happens when benchmarks disappear and new normals are created?
Today’s episode is going to show you just what is possible when the right conditions are created for people to thrive.
Barbara Soalheiro is the founder of Mesa Company and the creator of Mesa Method. Mesa is a team based work system designed to solve complex challenges by unleashing human potential to process more and execute faster.
We talk about the power of building a team based on having every bit of knowledge and skill needed to solve a specific problem. And then how time constraints being at the core of the team design make it possible for people to come up with extraordinary, paradigm changing, tangible solutions.
Barbara’s company, Mesa, is all about creating a new timespace where solutions to big problems are built. She tell us how it works, what's they've done, and why it's so powerful.
We talk about the importance of working towards an objective that people connect to.Why people need to work at a place where they feel they are always learning, as well as truly accomplishing something, for them to blossom.
And Barbara explains her vendetta against collaboration. As she says, “the more you focus on it, the less you get of it”.
This is all about real solutions. Changing paradigms. And not following any predesigned formulas.
The energy is electric on this episode, and I certainly left the conversation feeling ever more inspired to just get things done. I hope you feel that too.
So grab that favourite beverage or throw on those running shoes, and here is Barbara.
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Ep:#81 Senta Slingerland on what happens when you see yourself differently
What is the power of giving someone a taste of possibility?
How has the advertising industry been incentivised to make ads that shatter gender stereotypes?
And why is it so important to see your life and the world from a different perspective?
Today I talk with my friend Senta Slingerland, who used to be the Director of Brand Strategy at the Cannes Lions International Festival of Creativity, is the creator of See It Be It, a programme for the advancement of female creative leaders, and initiator of Cannes Chimera, a collaboration with the Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation to help NGOs receive creative mentorship.
We hear about her time with the Brazilian innovation company Mesa that solves big problems for companies such as Google, Coca-Cola and Samsung in only 5 days by putting big thinkers around a table who have the relevant skills and knowledge to find powerful solutions to things.
She tells us of the time she worked with a cyborg – and how it got her seeing the world differently.
And she talks of the work she’s doing as co-founder of FALA, a company that trades in purposeful inspiration and counts Coca-Cola, Yara International, Bloomberg, Accenture Song and Twitch as its clients.
Senta’s career has been focused on pushing people to see themselves and their jobs differently, and today’s conversation gets us seeing the power of changing perspectives.
We talk about ambition and what it means to different generations.
She tells us what 83% of millennial and Gen Z’s admire in their bosses.
And we hear about what happens when we give something language.
After listening to today’s episode you will feel as though you have taken your mind for a walk. So grab that favourite beverage or throw on those running shoes, and here is Senta.
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Ep:#80 Sarah Gillard and the role of business to shape our future
What is the role of business in society?
How can people’s perception with that then impact their experience at work?
How does it then impact how a business shows up when it relates to all of its stakeholders and its long-term success?
Today we do a deep dive into all of this with Sarah Gillard, using examples from her 27-year career in fast-paced commercial environments at some of the UK’s largest retail companies.
In this milestone episode, Sarah Gillard talks about her time as Director of Purpose and Special Projects at the John Lewis Partnership where she was responsible for re-articulating and embedding the purpose of John Lewis so that it continues to be a source of inspiration, innovation, and strategic differentiation.
Sarah compares her time working with the Arcadia group, a UK retail network with a very intense focus on short-term shareholder profit, against her time with the John Lewis Partnership, which is the UK’s largest co-owned business. John Lewis has 70,000 people working for the company, and everyone are co-owners.
We talk about how these different approaches to doing business then impact the experience inside an organisation and what that does to people, strategy and relationships with supplies and customers.
We hear how John Lewis was a massive social experiment to see what happens when a business sees its role in society differently.
And we hear about the partnership’s journey over the past 100 years.
We then talk about Sarah’s current role as CEO of Blueprint for Better Business, a charity that helps businesses to be inspired and guided by a purpose that benefits society and respects people and planet.
How does an organisation move from thinking of itself as a profit maximising machine to thinking of itself as a human system in service of society?
And how does that transition happen?
Knowing that this is such a decisive decade, and that the role that business needs to play now is more important than ever to shape our future, we hear about how she is working with businesses to be a part of the solution.
Sarah leaves us with two beautiful quotes which sum up this episode:
Antoine de Saint-Exupery:
“If you want to build a ship, don’t drum up the people to gather wood, divide the work and give orders. Instead, teach them to yearn for the vast and endless sea”.
Arthur Ashe:
“Start where you are. Use what you have. Do what you can.”
If you want to better understand the return on being more human, this episode is a must listen. So throw on those running shoes, or grab that favourite beverage, and enjoy this conversation with Sarah.
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Ep:#79 Dr Amanda Potter on setting people and companies up for success
What does it mean to create an environment for success at a company?
How do companies often get it wrong?
What happens and what does that look like?
Psychological safety is a key ingredient for businesses and teams to be able to improve, innovate and progress.
People need to feel free to speak honestly and feel supported enough to come up with new ideas; without that freedom, new innovative solutions and problem solving is less likely to happen.
And that is exactly what we’re going to be talking about today.
Dr Amanda Potter is an award-winning Chartered Psychologist, Leadership/ Executive Coach and a Certified Principal Business Psychologist with over 25 years' experience.
She has been working with C-suite and senior executives to enable them to drive strategic success – and today she shares her stories and knowledge of working in the area of talent strategy. We hear about her experience which is rooted in leadership in crisis, resilience, Psychological Safety and belonging.
Amanda will tell us about the neuroscience of resilience and positivity and how that impacts cultures at organisations.
She'll let us in on some tips on how we can all just simply feel better.
And she tells us about the contributors to low psych safety, the watch outs, and what different types of organisations need to look out for.
I ask her for insights on the difference in the various cultures that her company works with, but also the difference between sectors. Amanda’s reflection on psych safety in a culture like the police force is really interesting.
She then leaves us with some top tips on what to do to create more connection between team members - and you'll even get a great exercise that you can use for future team events.
Many of us know the importance of creating connection, trust and safe spaces to work - but knowing this is one thing. Being able to do it is another.
If you’re keen to dig deeper on all of this, please join me for this fascinating conversation with Amanda. So grab that favourite beverage or throw on those running shoes, and here is Dr Amanda Potter.
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Ep:#78 Nazia Du Bois on holding onto the senior talent from marginalised backgrounds
There is a problem in the communications and creative industries that few people are doing anything about.
It has to do with a senior ceiling that marginalised communities face when it comes to senior roles. There is a drain of really talented people that are leaving because they just don’t see a path for their progression in these companies.
It not only doesn’t have to be that way, but business is worse off if this is allowed to happen.
Today, Nazia Du Bois, former Global Head of Rare with Google, is going to bring all of this to life for us.
Nazia is a multiple award-winning agency founder, creative strategy leader, and industry DEI champion. She most recently led Google's global DEI program, Rare with Google, aimed at raising diversity in the creative industries. Before that, she was Global Brand Strategy Director at Netflix, working on representation and global brand equity.
Prior to going in-house, Nazia founded Ricebowl Strategy, which developed award-winning global brand positioning platforms for Spotify, Harry's and Popeyes amongst others. She was the founding global CSO of DAVID in Sao Paulo, Buenos Aires and Miami, as well as founding Ogilvy's Islamic Branding practice.
Nazia has been named one of the top 5 most awarded planning directors in the world.
She is from Bangladesh and holds two degrees from Oxford.
Today you’ll hear stories from her time at Netflix and how being in LA when the social justice movement kicked off in the wake of the tragic murder of George Floyd then paved the way to the next stage of her career.
We hear about the strategies that Google used to create more creative diversity at senior leavels of the company, with a view to change the culture of the organisation.
Nazia shares some profound thinking from top thought leaders driving the inclusion revolution and what needs to happen to hold onto the senior talent from marginalised cultures.
And then tells us what she learned about diversity and inclusion from being part of the mass layoffs at Google in 2023.
Nazia then leaves us with an important piece of advice that all of us can take to heart.
This episode will leave you with lots to ponder on, so throw on those running shoes or grab that favourite beverage, and here is Nazia.
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Ep:#77 Chris Norman from GOOD on making a difference by changing the system
Can you do good and still be successful?
What is the true value of purpose?
How are huge UK companies in the financial services sector currently struggling from a talent retention and recruitment perspective and what is the answer?
After a bit of a break, TIE Unearthed is back, and today I’m speaking with the first person that hired me when I moved to London in 2001, Chris Norman.
Chris is the Founder and CEO of GOOD Agency, a pioneer of brand Purpose and has worked for the last 28 years across the commercial, government and charity sectors helping them create value from the positive impact they have on the world. Chris was included in the 2019 Progress 1000 as one of the 25 most influential people in London in media and is a regular judge and panellist.
Chris’s breadth of experience is with the largest commercial and charity brands, and today we talk about how behaviours are the essence of any company, what it means to be human, and what happens when a company isn’t authentic.
We talk about GOOD being a B-corp, but why they haven’t been champions of the initiative until recently.
Chris tells us why they have become employee owned.
What a better world looks like and how we get there.
And we end with valuable learnings from Chris’ challenging journey.
I have found Chris’ story and that of GOOD fascinating, so much so I have captured it in my book, Return on Humanity, coming out in April of 2024. Here you get a sneak peek!
So throw on those running shoes or grab that favourite beverage, and here is Chris.
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Ep:#76 Octopus Group’s Simon Rogerson on “outbehaving” the competition
What does it look like to build a company that not only outlives you, but also makes you feel good in the process?
Can you make money and create a significantly positive impact on the planet at the same time?
What is the return on being more human?
Today I got to speak with Simon Rogerson, co-Founder and CEO of Octopus Group, a company that has invested $20 billion into many different companies in the last 23 years. He’s not only one of the sharpest and quickest minds I’ve had the pleasure to meet, but he’s also a really good guy.
His mission is simple: to invest in the people, the ideas and the industries that will change the world.
Today he brings how he does this to life.
Simon explains why Octopus Group will never be publicly owned.
He tells us the biggest lesson that he’s learned in 23 years of running Octopus.
Let’s us in on the key interview question he asks to reveal who people really are.
And we get to hear two stories that bring to life the main two aspects of Octopus’ culture that make it possible for them to be an industry disruptor.
I have always believed that business can be a force for good, although many companies aren’t built to make it that right now. Simon brings to life how this is possible through his approach to business, and the inspiring work they are doing.
I adored this conversation – I think you’ll catch that from the energy. There is so much here.
So throw on those running shoes, or grab that favourite beverage, and here is Simon.
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Ep:#75 The secret ingredient to law firm Mishcon de Reya's success
How is the law firm that took on the UK government with Article 50 and took on the Royal Family as Princess Diana’s divorce attorneys so successful?
Is it because of their high-profile cases or is there another secret ingredient?
I was keen to find out.
So today, Elliot Moss, Partner and Chief Brand Officer at Mishcon, and Patrick Connolly, Director of the Mischon de Reya Academy, let us in on their secret.
I wanted to understand what sets the law firm apart from their competitors.
How do they attract and retain such incredible talent?
And what makes them top of their class?
We talk about the key progressive values of the company and why they are so important.
We hear about the type of person that chooses to work there.
And a few of their impressive initiatives that have become an important part of the company.
Elliot and Patrick’s responses say a lot about the firm, and there is one thing that connects all of their answers: It’s their human centric strategy.
Today we bring this to life.
So throw on those running shoes, or grab that favourite beverage, and here is Patrick and Elliot.
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Ep:#74 Jon Duschinsky on making more money by doing more good
Can you have purpose driven organizations without purpose driven leaders?
What does it feel like to be in service of something bigger than us?
And should it really come down to tax status to decide if people, or companies, are going to make a difference in the world?
These are just some of the questions that get answered in today’s episode with Jon Duschinsky.
Jon is a global thought leader, social innovator and champion of Business for Good.
He inspires future-thinking leaders to Make More Money by Doing More Good, accelerating their innovation, social and environmental impact and talent retention. He has advised clients in over 60 countries, including companies like Airbus, NASCAR, and Prudential as well as the Governments of Germany, the US, France and the UAE. And he's coached hundreds of leaders and future leaders, written two books and lectures regularly at universities around the world.
We talk about why unlocking your personal purpose and your corporate purpose is so important.
Jon talks about our conditioned behavior patterns, and how they don’t serve us.
And the return on leaning into purpose - both as a company and as an individual.
There is so much here.
So grab that favourite beverage or throw on those running shoes, and enjoy this conversation with Jon.
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Ep:#73 Sam Theobald on putting people first before profit
Is it possible to be a profitable and rapidly growing business and still put people first?
What makes a company an incredible place to work?
And what is the return on being a human centric company and a human centric leader?
As many of you know, I’m in the final stages of writing my book Return on Humanity: The unexpected benefits of being more human in life and business.
I’ve been speaking with people from various sectors and businesses around the world to confirm my hypothesis. And I’m happy to say, until now, it hasn’t been challenged.
But this conversation with Sam Theobald doesn’t just confirm the hypothesis. Her entire career has been focused on it. And this podcast brings the real quantifiable benefits and examples to life. It is such an incredible conversation.
Sam is an HR professional with over 20 years’ experience working with entrepreneurial leaders, bringing a strong commercial edge to the HR function, and championing a “people first” approach to business.
Sam’s current role at Next 15 spans multi-markets and provides strategic guidance to HR teams within subsidiaries across the group, as well as working closely to counsel businesses so they understand the value of great people practices and human centric leadership in high growth organisations.
She explains how it’s possible to have a commercial focus and still put people first.
She talks about the power of self-awareness. And what it means in the context of her work.
And the details of what it actually means to have a human centric approach to business.
Essentially, if you want to be able to attract great people and get the best out of them, you can’t miss this podcast.
This conversation was electric. I promise you’ll enjoy the energy! We were both buzzing afterwards.
So grab that favourite beverage or throw on those running shoes, and enjoy this conversation with Sam.
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Ep:#72 Erik Fernholm on how fulfilment can build a more sustainable future
What is success?
Really, if you stop to think about it. What does it mean in the whole scheme of things?
We all know how easy it is to get sidetracked in life to what we think a successful life is.
But what happens if you reflect on when you feel fulfilled? What does that look like? Is it the same as what you imagined the definition of success to be?
Today I am speaking with Erik Fernholm, co founder of The Inner Development Goals, a global framework defining the skills needed for us to reach the UN's Sustainable Development Goals. And 29k.org, the world's first free platform for practicing self-leadership, mental health, and inner development through evidence-based programs which has measurably transformed the lives of tens of thousands of people.
Today we ask some big questions.
What is the root of unsustainability?
When do we feel happiness and connection?
And what needs to happen to build a more sustainable society?
We talk about the power of shared experience and common humanity.
Corporate metrics.
And we end on the Nordic Secret. If you haven’t heard about it already, you need to. It’s the future, and how I end my up-and-coming book.
I could have talked to Erik for hours. And when you listen in, you’ll understand why. There is so much overlap with what we are both doing.
So grab that favourite beverage or throw on those running shoes, and enjoy this conversation with Erik.
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Ep:#71 John Sills on the Human Experience
Progress. Surely a sign of progress is that you make things cheaper, faster, and more efficient, while keeping the level of quality at least the same. If not better. But I think we can all agree things don’t seem to be heading in that direction when it comes to life as a customer.
Would you say that the customer experience over the last 20 years has gotten better? I think we all agree the answer is no.
But is that acceptable? If things aren’t working for customers, and not working for colleagues, perhaps it’s important to find another way? And that’s exactly what John Sills, Managing Partner at the customer-led growth company, The Foundation, talks to us about today.
25 years ago, he started his career on a market stall in Essex, and since then has worked in and with companies around the world to make things better for customers.
He’s been in front-line teams delivering the experience, innovation teams designing the propositions, and global HQ teams creating the strategy. He's been a bank manager during the financial crisis (not fun), launched a mobile app to millions of people (very fun), and regularly visits strangers’ houses to ask very personal questions (incredible fun).
He now works with companies across industries and around the world, and before joining The Foundation spent twelve years at HSBC, latterly as Head of Customer Innovation.
And he’s just published a book on the topic - The Human Experience. We talk about the importance of human-centric behaviours to create more efficient companies. The power of an outside-in perspective. And in short, how to make life better for customers. Which then creates a better business - on all fronts. This is a super fun, funny, human, and incredibly important conversation.
So grab that favourite beverage, or throw on those running shoes, and here is John.
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Ep:#70 Jan Levy on social insights, the digital void and human connection
What are the logistical financial challenges that a bereaved spouse faces when their loved one passes away?
Is it possible for a bank to help someone who has dementia feel safe?
What are the worries that people who are living with cancer have when it comes to their life-insurance policy?
These are just a handful of the human concerns that people around the UK have voiced when it comes to their finances. And concerns that can be answered when companies are willing to listen.
Jan and his team at Three Hands makes that listening and human interaction possible.
Jan Levy is the MD of Three Hands, a small socially minded business that sets out to create business value and social value, hand in hand.
Sitting in the space between businesses and non-profits, Three Hands develops leaders through projects in communities, helps businesses create and run high impact social impact activities and, increasingly, brings the voice of charities, and the ‘lived experts’ they support, into businesses.
As companies move closer to the digital world and become more disconnected from society, Three Hands is helping to fill the void through social insights.
Working with companies to create more connection with the services they need to offer. And the desire that customers have, to deal with humans.
We talk about the power of opening channels of curiosity and understanding different parts of society.
Jan explains what it means for business to be a part of society.
And what happens when you create empathy between two sets of people or two organisations.
Today Jan will bring all of this to life.
So grab that favourite beverage or throw on those running shoes, and enjoy this conversation with Jan.
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Ep:#69 Paul Skinner on shifting the stories that we live and work by
What value do we lose when economics reduces communities to markets?
How can investors not just be seen as check books?
And if suppliers are not just simply seen as delivering to a contract, what else could that relationship look like?
Today Paul answers some big questions. All rooted in shifting the stories that we live and work by.
Paul Skinner is the author of The Purpose Upgrade: Change your Business to Save the World. Change the World to Save your Business. He’s also the author of Collaborative Advantage: How Collaboration Beats Competition as a Strategy for Success. Through his consulting practice The Agency of the Future, Paul helps clients to drive purpose-led change and better mobilise stakeholders for lasting success. And he also founded MarketingKind, a non-profit professional membership community that brings business leaders, marketers and change-makers together to address our most pressing problems.
Today Paul explains how collaborative advantage is a radical alternative to competitive advantage.
We talk about what a purpose upgrade is and why we need to elevate purpose now more than ever.
And Paul gives us a beautifully articulated solution to substantially increasing the ceiling for success for any enterprise. And it’s easier than you think.
We talk about economics.
Why only focusing on profit isn’t good for business.
And how purpose can be our most adaptive capacity as humans.
Paul then finishes by explaining how we can avoid being puppets of our prior intentionality and instead the true authors of our own future change.
You don’t want to miss this conversation.
So, grab that favourite beverage or throw on those running shoes, and enjoy this conversation with Paul.
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Ep:#68 Life after spinal cord injury in Africa with Faustina Urassa
Imagine waking up in hospital discovering you have not only broken your spine and will never walk again.
But then learning that you are also pregnant.
When Faustina was about to start university in Tanzania in the year 2000, this was what she was facing.
And today you will hear her story.
Faustina Urassa is a spinal cord injury thriver, and founder and Executive Director at Songambele Initiative Organisation.
Being a woman in Africa isn’t easy.
And Faustina saw being a disabled woman in Africa as a death sentence.
This is a story of a woman who not only came from a challenging experience, but one who refused to accept the status quo on all fronts and thrived as a result.
Today we hear about the challenges she faced in the early years. No one in her family, including her, knew what a spinal cord injury was, let alone what it meant for her life moving forward.
There wasn’t clear information on how someone with a spinal cord injury could safely deliver a baby. Would her disability compromise the health of her child?
Was it even possible for her to ever be independent again?
Faustina takes us on a journey from a spinal cord injury victim to a spinal cord injury thriver.
We hear about how her life changed when she met others going through similar situations as her.
She tells us about the power of self-awareness and self-acceptance.
And the power and importance of community.
Which all lead to why she founded Songambele.
We hear about what life looks like for people once they have come into contact with Songambele and the power that is Faustina.
This is one inspirational story. So, grab that favourite beverage or throw on those running shoes, and enjoy this conversation.
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Ep:#67 Finding your laser beam of genius with Sarah Watson
Phenomenal A list talent causing a wave of destruction at a company.
We’ve all seen that person.
We may even be, or have been, that person.
But what is the reason for it?
Sarah tells us it’s when Talent has “misplaced genius”.
And she is essentially the red telephone for capital T talent.
Sarah Watson is an Executive Coach that helps bring leaders to their greatness.
She used to run the Global Strategy department for the global ad agency BBH, and whilst doing that, and being the chairman of the New York agency, she unearthed her calling. Having worked on brands for years and helping them find their soul, she realised that’s what she needs to do – but for people.
Today Sarah is going to talk to us about why monasteries exist.
Her love of language and poetry and how this finds its way into her work.
Sarah tells us how she helps people drop into a different presence and a different part of themselves that is deeper than the one they thought they had constructed.
And what happens when they do that.
She talks about the emergent journey.
And how people are conditioned out of their power.
And she ends on God’s Grandeur by Gerard Manley Hopkins. And her articulation of how this relates to her work is simply gorgeous.
This is such an inspirational episode. So, grab that favourite beverage or throw on those running shoes, and enjoy this conversation with Sarah.
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Ep:#66 How to stop men taking their own lives with Ben Akers
How are you out of 10?
These 6 words have saved lives.
And today you’re going to hear how.
Did you know that the biggest killer of boys and men from 9 – 50 is suicide?
That’s one man every 90 minutes in the UK.
Why is that?
In 2014 my friend Ben Aker’s life was turned upside down with the suicide of his childhood best friend Steve Yates.
After years of trying to come to terms with this tragedy, he decided to use his power to stop the next Steve. And today you’re going to hear Ben talk about how to stop men taking their own lives. Ben is the co-CEO and co-Founder of Talk Club, a talking and listening charity for men.
Ben is also a film maker, problem solver and mental health campaigner.
He began his career as an advertising copywriter and grew to a multi award winning Creative Director at some of the world’s most creative ad agencies in London and Sydney.
We talk about the creation of his changementary “Steve”.
We talk about how Talk Club was born and the major ingredients to its success.
Ben gives advice to anyone out there that’s listening that may be having a hard time.
And as a special treat, Ben then lets us in on his genius solution when it comes to funding his charity. “Not everyone has to be there with their hands out”.
This is a tough subject, but one that needs to be talked about, and today you’re going to learn some simple ways to help those people closest to you.
So grab that favourite beverage or throw on those running shoes, and here is Ben.
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Ep:#65 Prison Radio and it’s power with Phil Maguire
Prison, by definition, removes someone’s liberty as punishment for the crime committed.
But there are two ways to spend that time inside, and therefore, two ways to see prison.
Prison can be a horrible place to suffer for the crimes that have been committed.
Or it can be a place to reflect, to learn, to gain skills, and to be better.
Today I talk to Phil Maguire who became the founding Chief Executive of the Prison Radio Association (PRA) in 2006, and has been running the award-winning charity that uses radio to support prisoner rehabilitation ever since.
We talk about what prisons looked like in London in the 90s: Riots, racial tension, deaths in custody and lots of incidents of self-harm. A sad and desperate place.
And then how things have evolved from there.
We talk about what happens when you create a conversation between the people living in prison and the people running a prison.
And what happens when you empower people in the most difficult of situations.
Phil talks about how their award-winning model has people who live in prisons at the heart of everything they do – including being the award-winning hosts and producers of their programmes.
You’ll hear about what happens when people leave prison and how they continue to engage people “beyond the gate”.
And how they are building a global movement of people using audio in criminal justice systems for social good.
Talk about the power of humanity!
This is a movement you will love to know more about. So grab that favourite beverage or throw on those running shoes, and enjoy this conversation with Phil.
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And definitely check out:
The Life After Prison Podcast: https://lifeafterprisonpod.com/
More on Prison Radio: https://www.prisonradio.org/
And connect with Phil here: phil@prison.radio

Ep:#64 Human emotion and architecture with Heatherwick’s Eliot Postma
I was researching schools in Brazil for my 12-year-old a few months ago.
The schools on the short-list were the same when it came to teachers, distance from home, and their approach to education.
But the deal breaker for me was one thing: the architectural experience inside the school.
And until I had this conversation with Eliot, I hadn’t truly understood what that experience was and why it was so important to me.
Eliot Postma has been working with Heatherwick Studio since 2010 to deliver innovative designs on numerous high-profile projects that focus on the human experience through form, craft, materiality, and sustainability.
Heatherwick and Eliot are all about reconnecting the built environment with the human emotion – and today he’s going to help us understand why that is so important.
Eliot answers some pretty big questions in this episode.
What does it mean to make places and things more joyful and fundamentally more human?
And how can architecture create the necessary solutions for the climate and biodiversity crises our planet is facing?
He uses examples from his experience working on a large portfolio of projects that span Europe, North America and Asia to bring his thoughts to life.
We hear about what solutions the studio designed for a UK cancer research charity to create a home-like and calming environment for people that have just discovered they have cancer.
And he brings to life the story of how they created the award-winning Mountain View Google campus. Google's first ground-up campus that took 10-years to create, that spans 3-million square feet and had sustainability central to all aspects of the design.
We talk about re-earthing our cities.
The significant impact that construction has on the climate crisis and what the solutions are.
And where one of the world’s most famous design studios is looking for the next 20 years.
This is a super inspiring conversation and one that will get you thinking.
So grab that favourite beverage or throw on those running shoes, and enjoy this conversation with Eliot.
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Ep:#63 How to be an activist in your life and work with Tessa Wernink
We start this conversation reflecting on the question “where are you from”?
If you are a global citizen, you will be able to relate to Tessa’s response.
Tessa Wernink was born in Hong Kong, moved to the Netherlands when she was 10, and has lived in various other Asian countries over the years. She is a social entrepreneur and business activist, facilitator and podcast maker who is addressing social and environmental issues in business.
We then go on to talk about how a phone can be built and made fairly. And what that means.
Tessa talks about Fairphone, the only European phone today, that she co-founded at the start of her activist journey.
After Fairphone Tessa then started to ask how businesses can be more humane and a force for good.
We talk about the Undercover Activist which she then founded.
How people can be more of an activist in the way they work. How they can accelerate projects around social and environmental issues.
And we learn how you can nurture more of an activist culture at a company, turning from theory and great ideas to action.
We reflect on culture, customs, and change.
And then talk about interesting social businesses around the world ranging from environmentally friendly cars, how to approach death undertaking from a more sustainable and ethical point of view, and then an entrepreneur in Hong Kong that is creating fish from a lab.
Tessa finishes on the concept of active hope. Which is such a great way to finish this episode, and this year’s series of the TIE Unearthed Podcast.
Let’s celebrate action. So grab that favourite beverage or throw on those running shoes, and get inspired with Tessa.
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If you want to find out more about Fairphone please click here https://www.fairphone.com/en/), about The Undercover Activist https://www.undercoveractivist.com and about Tessa’s What If We Get It Right podcast: https://www.whatifwegetitright.com
See you again in January of 2023 for more inspiring episodes of TIE Unearthed. Happy holidays!!

Ep:#62 The force of self-awareness in Iraq with Asmaa Ibrahim and Jiyan Foundation
How was the war with ISIS so different to the other wars over the years?
What is the reality on the ground for women in Iraq?
Today I speak with Asmaa Ibrahim, co-head of Trauma Care and Health at Jiyan Foundation for Human Rights and assistant lecturer at the Institute for Psychotherapy and Psychotraumatology at the University of Duhok in the Kurdistan Region of northern Iraq.
We start this conversation understanding the history and the background to the country.
Asmaa talks about the stories from when the war broke out in 2014. And what she has heard from the people that she helps.
Then she explains what she does to help start the healing process.
Asmaa tells us one of her favourite techniques that she uses to help people heal from trauma.
We hear about how children were militarised and educated under ISIS.
And then what she and the Jiyan Foundation are going to do to reintegrate these now young adults back into society.
During this conversation Asmaa gives us a brief window into the life in Iraq. We talk about the culture. And she finishes explaining her anguish but also her hope.
I was left so reflective after this. Talking to people in other places is so important. Perspective is such an incredible thing, and conversations like this bring us all closer together.
There is a lot here. So grab that favourite beverage or throw on those running shoes, and enjoy this conversation with Asmaa.
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Ep:#61 Rick Wheatley on breaking out of the old ways of thinking to create the future we need
We start this conversation talking about South Korea in 1998.
This was Rick’s first posting when he was in the US army at 22 years of age.
He then found himself skiing and climbing in the alps and sailing in Norway. And afterwards, very quickly got immersed in leadership development.
Rick Wheatley now runs the advisory firm he started in Oslo called Systems7, where he helps leaders break out of the old ways of thinking and helps them see new possibilities that enhance commercial success, while creating the future we need.
We talk about how he got into this space and how he started his leadership development journey.
He talks about the power of taking people to the edge of their mental maps and nudging them off.
We talk about the way our brains are wired. About cognitive bias. And how the challenges we face today impact our ability to lead change.
I ask Rick how we can accelerate the sustainability strategies and performance of companies. And how ESG can be less about a paper drill, and more about action.
His insights in this area are fascinating.
Rick talks about the power of expanding the playing field.
He talks about what a CFO said to him once that was game changing for their teams.
And then we talk about the hot topic of net zero.
There is so much here. He even finishes with some really sound advice for the times we are currently living in.
So grab that favourite beverage or throw on those running shoes, and enjoy this conversation with Rick.
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Ep:#60 Ali Alvarez on love, resilience and courage to challenge convention
Have you seen the monarch butterfly migration in Mexico?
300 million butterflies arriving in Mexico during day of the dead.
And this is where we start our story talking about my friend Ali Alvarez. Mexican-born, LA-raised, and London-molded.
She started as a professional horse jumper and then went on to build a creative career in advertising and filmmaking.
And while she was juggling work in advertising, and working on her butterfly film, something happened to her that changed everything.
A traumatic head injury from a horse-riding accident one Sunday afternoon where she lost her memory and the ability on her right side to move.
Ali tells us about what happened after that fateful day.
When she got her memory back.
And then what she did from there.
She talks about how she went back to finish the film and how it healed her.
We talk about love, her inspiring family, and the power of being able to be herself and create the life she wanted to create.
She tells us the three things that have kept her together in really challenging times.
And then we finish having a conversation about how we can all make a difference in our own unique way – whatever form that may take.
This is an inspiring story of what happens when someone lives their life with conviction, determination, and love.
So grab that favourite beverage or throw on those running shoes, and enjoy this conversation with Ali.
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To find out more about Ali and her work you can click alialvarez.com.
And to check out the incredible stop frame animation film Ali, Cali Oliver, Bart Yates and Joseph Mann made for TIE in 2010, click here.

Ep:#59 Sarah Cohen on the force of personal connections
We see the world not as it is, but as we are.
We simply don’t all interact in the world the same way with the information around us. And we all process things differently.
What you see is going to be different to what I see. And that impacts everything.
Particularly when it comes to education and people management.
Today I speak with Sarah Cohen, a People & Culture professional and leader whose experiences in education, technology, and economics have shaped her pragmatic and innovative approaches to developing people and growing organizations.
We talk about her learning challenges growing up, and the fascinating insights that came from that time in her life.
We hear about the fundamental lesson her dad taught her in his last weeks of life. And how that then shaped how she chose to live and work.
She tells us about her time in education and helping other children transcend learning challenges.
And then how you set up the brain to be able to learn and thrive.
What is fascinating is she then took these learnings to the corporate world, where she now works in talent, and is focused on creating a culture of growing people where they thrive.
She talks of the challenges she sees in the corporate world from a talent point of view, but also how the creation of strong personal connections is the answer to a more sustainable business.
There is so much here. All rooted in people, math, and economics. Just the way Sarah likes it.
So grab your favourite beverage. Or throw on those running shoes and here is an inspiring chat with Sarah.
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Ep:#58 Laura Nice on the power of feminine energy in business
How about running a company and using your power to make business stand for more?
And what is the impact of feminine energy in business?
Today I’m speaking with Laura Nice, Co-CEO of OMD Australia.
We talk about why she and Sian Whitnall created the Co-CEO position.
We talk about what got her to where she is now.
And a key bit of advice about how to progress.
On this chat I wanted to understand why she became a Co-CEO and how that role came to be.
She talks about how she sees her role in helping to drive sustainability for their clients.
And what a human centric organization looks like in her mind.
We hear what purpose means for OMD and the part it plays in the business. And the power of vulnerability.
Laura then leaves us with an incredible insight to what they are doing at their company, which is a fantastic idea, and something every company should think about doing. Absolute genius.
So grab your favourite beverage. Or throw on those running shoes and here is an inspiring chat with Laura.
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Ep:#57 From Broadway to brain cancer, to proving the power of purpose with Catherine Wreford
Have you ever stopped to think of how powerful a challenge can be?
Or how purpose can literally save your life?
This is what we’re going to talk about today.
And we have Catherine Wreford, one of the strongest people I know, to tell us her incredible story.
From staring on Broadway, to running a mortgage company, to nursing school.
And then the unthinkable happened. A brain tumour, the size of her fist.
But, yet again, Catherine demonstrates just what can happen when you put your mind to something.
And that cancer is just a word, and not a sentence.
There is so much here.
I promise you’ll laugh, you’ll get goosebumps, and there may be tears from Cath and me.
But without question you’ll come out realizing just what is possible when you push through adverse situations, put your mind to something, and follow your heart.
And Catherine sums up our conversation perfectly, saying “You need to get out there and live life. If you want to be part of life, you need to do it yourself”.
Words to live by.
So grab that favourite beverage or throw on those running shoes, and enjoy this conversation with Catherine.
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Ep:#56 Immersive TIE’s impact with Niall Quinn
A “Whoa” moment.
A reminder of what the reality of a different culture truly feels like.
And a chance to go off grid.
Yes, we are back with the Immersive TIE programme.
And Niall has returned from his experience in Mozambique to tell his tales.
This is a podcast you don’t want to miss.
As most of you know, this was our primary TIE programme for close to 14 years.
It changed people’s lives. It evolved companies. And impacted communities in 24 countries around the world.
But the pandemic had other plans for us, and this had to be put on hold.
Until recently!
Today Niall gives us a window into his experience.
Niall is a Portfolio Manager at Octopus Energy in London, one of the largest investors of renewable energy in Europe. And he holds a Masters in Applied Mathematics and a Doctorate in Quantum Physics.
Let's just say, when he realised there was data to get stuck into - he was SO excited. :-)
This conversation is super revealing.
We hear about how he sees himself differently on return.
And the feelings he knows he must hold onto.
We hear about his reflections on leadership.
Why he applied.
And what came out of the experience – both with regards to the impact on the Marine Megafauna Foundation. But also, on him.
There are incredible learnings here, and it’s fascinating to understand the solutions he came up with.
If you’re thinking of applying for TIE. Thinking of having a TIE programme at your company. Or just keen to better understand how the programme impacts people and companies – don’t miss this one.
And the quote Niall ends on by Anne Frank is a perfect way to sum up this chat - “Whoever is happy will make others happy too’.
So grab that favourite beverage or throw on those running shoes, and enjoy this conversation with Niall.
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If you’re keen to see more of his experience, do check out his TIE Instagram at @Niall_and_the_whales.

Ep:#55 Brazilian politics and being the change with Ivan Moraes
It’s an election year in Brazil, and as many of you will know, it’s a big one.
Bolsonaro in power.
Brazil’s democracy on the rocks.
And a country extremely impacted by covid, where basic human rights are worse than we’ve ever seen them.
So I felt it was fitting to speak with my good friend, Ivan Moraes.
A father, journalist, dreamer, writer, defender of human rights and City councilor in Recife for the socialism and liberty party (PSOL). He’s currently in his second term in the Municipal Chamber of Recife, and will be the candidate for state deputy in the 2022 elections.
Ivan helps us understand what Brazil is facing right now in this election.
He explains why he went into politics.
He talks about the challenges. What his life looks like in the spot light. But also why it’s so important.
We hear about what gives him hope.
But also what keeps him up at night.
And he talks about how everyone can be the change.
As Siba says, “The world moves, every time you take a step”.
There are so many learnings and takeaways in this episode. And important insights to what is happening on the ground in Brazil. This is a must listen.
So grab your favourite beverage. Or throw on those running shoes and here is an inspiring chat with Ivan.
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Ep#54: Keeping the world alive with Iracambi’s Binka LeBreton
A mid-life crisis.
The Atlantic rainforest.
And discovering what sustainability means and looks like.
Today I talk with Binka, co-founder of Iracambi, a Brazilian organisation working to make the conservation of the Atlantic Rainforest more attractive than its destruction.
We talk about what it looks like to save forests and change lives.
We hear about the challenges of the last few years.
But also, how TIE helped to propel Iracambi into huge growth in 2021.
We talk about what’s next with TIE and Iracambi, and we get the inside scoop on Binka’s time at the summit of the Americas, where heads of state and global leaders talked about building a more sustainable future.
Binka also let's us in on what gives her hope. But also what keeps her up at night.
Lots here.
So throw on those running shoes, or grab that favourite beverage, and here is Binka.
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Ep:#53 Reclaiming infrastructure space for people with Public City
What is a monument? And what should it be?
What does it mean to invest in the value of metaphor in architecture and landscape architecture?
How is a Canadian architecture firm responding to the LGBT Purge, one of the longest and most harmful campaigns of discrimination conducted by the Canadian federal government against the LGBT community? Something few people know about today.
We cover off a lot in this episode. And my goodness it will get you thinking.
Today I speak with Liz Wreford and Peter Sampson, the co-founders of the Canadian architecture firm, Public City.
We talk about why architecture and landscape architecture should practice together as a family.
We hear what winning the Governor General’s Medal in Architecture proved to them both.
What it’s like working and living with your business partner – yes, Liz and Peter are also a couple.
And they talk to us about how authenticity, performance art and architecture came together as an award-winning combination.
The story, and the outcome, is incredible.
So throw on those running shoes, or grab that favourite beverage, and here are Liz and Peter.
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Ep:#52 David Joshua on presenting the best version of yourself to the world
What does it take to walk away from a successful career in the financial services industry?
What three things have the power to turn around a career?
And what is the key to positive change?
Today we talk with David Joshua, the founder of Resonance, a leadership development programme that helps people lead with more Impact, Empathy & Engagement and helps people understand how to apply the Principles of Persuasion and Communicate more effectively during moments that matter.
He talks to us about learning to be impactful with communication as a result of a traumatic failure he experienced.
We hear about focusing on the importance of connection.
And the power of breaking patterns.
David explains how gratitude shifts can fundamentally change how we live our lives every day. And he even gives us a simple tool as to how to do that – and it’s not what you would expect to happen on this podcast.
This is definitely a feel-good episode. You’ll enjoy this one.
So grab your favourite beverage. Or throw on those running shoes and here is an inspiring chat with David.
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If you’d like to get in touch with David on LinkedIn you can find him here: https://www.linkedin.com/in/david-joshua/

Ep:#51 Going from setback to comeback with Sara Tate
What do some of the world’s most famous artists and creators do to be at their best?
What can we learn from the way trees grow? And what does it have to do with stepping out of your comfort zone?
What does it mean to be led by the questions?
This is such a fantastic conversation – bursting with energy!
Today I chat with my old friend Sara Tate. She and her co-author Anna Vogt are launching their fantastic book The Rebuilders in June. And it’s all about going from setback to come back in business and beyond.
I know Sara from my BBH days (and before that as well I think). She’s an Organisational and Brand Strategist and formerly the CEO of the agency TBWA London. She was voted Best Leader in Marketing by Women in Marketing Awards and won Campaign's Female Frontier Award. She’s an accredited Executive Coach and she co-hosts The Rebuilders podcast.
We talk about the definition of failure. The beginners mind. And the power of space.
Sara talks through the tools and life skills that she and Anna have developed over the years. We talk about setbacks. And what Sara has learned from the process of writing the book and where she is now.
There are some incredible learning here.
So grab your favourite beverage. Or throw on those running shoes and here is an inspiring chat with Sara.
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And you can find Sara Tate here on Twitter https://twitter.com/saraktate and here on LinkedIn https://www.linkedin.com/in/saraktate/