The Way Out | A Sobriety and Recovery Podcast

Recovery literature (quit-lit) recommendation: AA Big Book -https://www.aa.org/the-big-book

Best pieces of Recovery advice:

Shut up listen

Stop Lying to yourself

Song that symbolizes Recovery to Mike: Not Afraid by Eminem- https://youtu.be/j5-yKhDd64s

Summary:

This episode delves into the raw truth of recovery as MikeGlover shares his profound journey from addiction on Chicago’s South Side tonearly five years of sobriety. We explore what it really takes to stay sober,the power of peer support, and how confronting fears and risks buildsresilience. Mike’s honest reflections offer a blueprint for anyone navigatingtheir own recovery path or supporting loved ones in that process.

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Episode 500: Recovery Roll Call

This special milestone episode features heartfelt messagesfrom the recovery community, sharing pivotal moments, lessons learned, and theongoing journey of healing. It’s a testament to the power of connection,community, and resilience.

This episode reminds us that recovery is ongoing, deeplypersonal, and uniquely accessible — no matter where you’re starting from.Celebrate your journey, honor your community, and keep moving forward, becauseyour next breakthrough could be just around the corner.

In this episode:

The significance of embracing change and impermanence inrecovery and life

How surrender opens doors to transformation and growth

The role of community and authentic relationships insustaining recovery

Stories of overcoming trauma, addiction, and loss throughfaith and perseverance

Practical insights on recognizing and acting on moments ofclarity

The importance of small acts of service and humility inrecovery

The potential of innovative approaches likepsychedelic-assisted recovery

The myth of rock bottom and the idea that recovery can startanytime we choose

Resources & Links:

Books by Darren Littlejohn - https://www.compassionaterecovery.us/

Unboxed Wellness - Recovery Coaching - https://unboxedwellness.com/

The DOW of Our Understanding Podcast - https://taorecovery.libsyn.com/

North Star Retreats - https://northstarretreats.org/

Daryl Dittmer books - https://www.daryldittmer.com/

Kayos To Clarity - https://www.facebook.com/Chaseisover/

Don’t forget to check out “The Way Out Playlist” availableonly on Spotify. Curated by all our wonderful guests on the podcast!

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Contact Bill- billstauffer@rcn.com

Recovery literature (quit-lit) recommendations:

Slaying the Dragon: The History of Addiction Treatment andRecovery in America by William White - https://archive.org/details/slayingdragonhis00whit

Pathways from the Culture of Addiction to the Culture ofRecovery: A Travel Guide for Addiction Professionals by William White - https://archive.org/details/pathwaysfromcult0000whit

Best piece of Recovery advice- Keep working on yourself

Resources: PRO.A – PA Statewide Recovery Community - https://pro-a.org/

Recovery Review – a community of recovery-oriented experts -https://www.billstauffer.net/recoveryreview-articles

Papers | William White Library - https://chestnut.org/li/william-white-library/papers

Recovery, Work, and Reflections - https://www.billstauffer.net/

Song that symbolizes recovery: Cover Me Up by Jason Isbell -https://youtu.be/S-s3vuXopS4?si=2Gl8RdrVAp4i--Nh

Summary

William Stauffer shares his inspiring journey from earlydrug use to long-term recovery and his extensive work in the recoverycommunity. Discover insights into addiction, the history of recovery advocacy,and how community involvement can transform lives. William Stauffer discussesthe importance of integrity, responsibility, and community in recovery,addressing challenges like unethical practices and systemic flaws. He sharesinsights on building a culture of recovery, the significance of self-care, and thepower of collective action to improve the future of addiction treatment.

Don’t forget to check out “The Way Out Playlist” availableonly on Spotify. Curated by all our wonderful guests on the podcast!

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Recovery is The Most Human Journey with Adam Nimoy

Learn more about Adam Nimoy and The Most Human:

Website - https://adamnimoy.com

Twitter - https://twitter.com/AdamNimoy

The Most Human: Reconciling with My Father, Leonard Nimoy - https://a.co/d/0bCxpCVm

Recovery literature (quit-lit) recommendations:

AA Big Book - https://www.aa.org/the-big-book

The Tora

Sacred Housekeeping: A Spiritual Memoir - https://a.co/d/0iMtLg69

Best piece of Recovery advice: Hold On

Song that symbolizes recovery to Adam: Get Together by TheYoungbloods - https://youtu.be/7xGxQXmu7Os?si=CM8gXh9rjHFinZQ4

Summary

In this inspiring interview, Adam Nimoy shares his journeythrough recovery, the transformative power of 12-step programs, and theprofound reconnection with his father. Discover practical insights on living ameaningful, connected life and the importance of service, forgiveness, anddaily routines in recovery.

Key  topics

The role of 12-step programs in recovery

Reconciliation with family and forgiveness

Daily routines and small acts of service in sobriety

Don’t forget to check out “The Way Out Playlist” availableonlyon Spotify. Curated by all our wonderful guests on the podcast!

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Learn more about Kenny Stoddart person in long term recoveryfounder of Iron Mind Advisors: https://www.ironmindadvisors.com/

Recovery literature (quit-lit) recommendation: Big Book - https://www.aa.org/the-big-book

Best piece of Recovery advice: Ask for help

Song that symbolizes Recovery to Kenny: My Cross by JellyRoll - https://youtu.be/GQHYXBwKnpk?si=ymnpPoNhamVPtyh5

Takeaways

Alcohol was Kenny's drug of choice, highlighting its socialacceptance and danger.

Kenny's sober date is 11-7-24, marking a significant turningpoint in his life.

Sobriety has brought clarity, gratitude, and a sense ofgrace to Kenny's life.

Kenny emphasizes the importance of sharing recovery storiesto help others.

He serves the recovery community through social media andpublic speaking.

Kenny believes in the power of vulnerability and honesty inrecovery.

He reflects on the trauma of being expelled from high schooland its impact on his life.

Kenny discusses the addictive nature of chasing success andvalidation.

He emphasizes the importance of taking off the 'cape' ofhigh achievement in recovery.

Kenny encourages others to take the first step towardsrecovery, emphasizing that it's never too late. Recovery has many definitionsand can take many forms.

Community plays a crucial role in the recovery process.

Vulnerability is a strength that fosters connection andsupport.

Spirituality and faith can be foundational in recovery.

The 'Iron Mind' mentality helps in overcoming challenges.

Forgiveness and self-compassion are essential for healing.

Sobriety can lead to a more fulfilling and present life.

Asking for help is a sign of true strength.

Music can be a powerful symbol of recovery andtransformation.

Every recovery journey is unique and beautiful.

Summary

In this episode of The Way Out Podcast, Kenny Stoddartshares his journey of recovery from alcoholism, emphasizing the importance ofvulnerability, community support, and the transformative power of sobriety. Hediscusses the impact of his past experiences, including being expelled fromhigh school, and how they shaped his path towards addiction and eventualrecovery. Kenny highlights the significance of serving the recovery communitythrough social media and public speaking, advocating for open conversationsabout addiction and mental health. He reflects on the challenges of chasingsuccess and validation, and how recovery has allowed him to redefine hisidentity and purpose in life. In this conversation, Kenny Stoddart shares hisjourney of recovery, emphasizing the importance of community, spirituality, andself-compassion. He discusses the challenges and successes he has faced,including the transformative power of vulnerability and the 'Iron Mind'mentality that has helped him overcome adversity. Kenny highlights thesignificance of asking for help and the role of music in his recovery journey,ultimately inspiring others to embrace their own paths to healing.

Don’t forget to check out “The Way Out Playlist” available onlyon Spotify. Curated by all our wonderful guests on the podcast!

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Learn more about Rock Bottom with Ryan: https://linktr.ee/rockbottomwithryan?utm_source=linktree_profile_share

Recovery literature (quit-lit) recommendations:

A new pair of glasses by Chuck “C” - https://a.co/d/0htIs4Uw

There's More to Quitting Drinking Than Quitting Drinking byDr. Paul O and Jack N - https://a.co/d/0hYqdERa

Best piece of Recovery advice: You're never alone

Songs that symbolize Recovery to Ryan:

I'm Yours by Jason Mraz - https://youtu.be/EkHTsc9PU2A?si=Xe4VN4cb1ksigJzJ

Great Day to Be Alive by Travis Tritt - https://youtu.be/d4tSE2w53ts?si=IPmlUQ0leCyqegWO

Summary

In this episode of The Way Out Podcast, Ryan from RockBottom with Ryan shares his journey through addiction and recovery. Hediscusses his substance of choice, primarily alcohol and cocaine, and reflectson the importance of community and giving back to the recovery community. Ryanshares his personal experiences growing up in a complicated family dynamic, thechallenges he faced during his transition to adulthood, and the impact ofcollege life on his addiction. He emphasizes the significance of humility inrecovery and the ongoing struggle to maintain sobriety while facing the past.In this conversation, Ryan shares his harrowing journey through addiction,trauma, and ultimately, recovery. He discusses the escalation of his substanceabuse, the profound impact of losing his sister to overdose, and the moment hehit rock bottom, which led him to seek help. Ryan emphasizes the importance ofcommunity, daily routines in recovery, and the power of vulnerability insharing his story. He reflects on the challenges of forgiveness, the successeshe has achieved in recovery, and the uplifting songs that symbolize hisjourney. Through his experiences, Ryan inspires others to find hope and healingin their own recovery journeys.

Takeaways

Ryan emphasizes that every recovery story is unique.

He believes that giving back to the recovery community isessential.

Celebrating milestones in sobriety is important formotivation.

Community support plays a crucial role in recovery.

Recovery means facing difficult truths about oneself.

Humility is a key aspect of maintaining sobriety.

Family dynamics can significantly impact one's addictionjourney.

College life can lead to increased substance use andaddiction.

Ryan's journey highlights the importance of accountabilityin recovery.

The escalation of addiction can happen quickly andunexpectedly. Substance abuse escalated over time, leading to severeconsequences.

Trauma and loss can significantly impact addiction andrecovery.

Hitting rock bottom can be a catalyst for seeking help.

Recovery involves finding purpose and helping others.

Daily routines and community support are crucial inrecovery.

Literature and resources play a vital role in understandingaddiction.

Forgiveness is a challenging but necessary part of healing.

Success in recovery includes being honest and transparent.

Personal growth is a key aspect of the recovery journey.

Music can symbolize and uplift the recovery experience.

Don’t forget to check out “The Way Out Playlist” availableonlyon Spotify. Curated by all our wonderful guests on the podcast!

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Resources and how to Contact Jeremy:

Unhooked Academy: https://www.unhookedacademy.com/

Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/jeremylipkowitz/

Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/@JeremyLipkowitz

Recovery literature (quit-lit) recommendation: Amazon.com: Happiness:A Guide to Developing Life's Most Important Skill - https://a.co/d/08Mlk7Ul

Best piece of Recovery advice: Progress over perfection

Songs that symbolize recovery to Jeremy:

Gracious by Ben Howard - https://youtu.be/1s2WRAXftGI

Keep Your Head Up by Ben Howard - https://youtu.be/ADP65wbBUpc

In this episode, Jeremy shares the depth of his journeyovercoming porn addiction, the neuroscience behind craving, and practicalstrategies rooted in mindfulness and Buddhist philosophy. If you're seekinginsight into how addiction rewires the mind and how to reclaim your life withintegrity, this conversation offers clarity and actionable wisdom.

Key Topics

Jeremy’s personal experience with porn and meth addiction,including defining moments that inspired change

The neurological science of addiction, neuroplasticity, andthe craving for novelty

How mindfulness and meditation serve as powerful tools forrecovery and emotional regulation

The importance of identity reprogramming and shiftingbeliefs about oneself

Practical routines for daily discipline, includingtechnology boundaries

The role of community, vulnerability, and living inintegrity as essential recovery pillars

The impact of societal triggers, AI advances, and thenormalization of porn

Strategies for dealing with shame, relapse, and buildingresilience

The significance of living a life aligned with purpose andethical values

Don’t forget to check out “The Way Out Playlist” available onlyon Spotify. Curated by all our wonderful guests on the podcast!

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Contact James: wherepurposeisfound@gmail.com or call himdirectly at 651-272-6148

Recovery literature (quit-lit) Recommendation: Ephesians6:10-18

Best Advice: "Always remember to put God first in yourlife."

Songs that symbolize recovery:

Resurrecting | Official Lyric Video | Elevation Worship  - https://youtu.be/aHGFNUlEZ8M?si=b1EXavC7jSMzggVv

"Stand Up" by Nicky Gracious - https://youtu.be/fZfeciRvxZ8?si=S6mLEqPJDLZipZze

Resources: Against the Odds Recovery and Reentry - https://atoministries.org/

Where Purpose Is Found - https://wherepurposeisfound.com/

Minnesota Hope Dealerz Organization - https://www.minnesotahopedealerz.org/

In this episode, James Cowan Jr. shares his powerful journeyfrom childhood trauma, addiction, and incarceration to founding a nonprofitdedicated to outreach, recovery, and faith-based healing. His story underscoresthe importance of community, spiritual resilience, and persistence in recovery.

We discuss:

• The impact of early childhood abuse and how faith helped in healing
• The role of brothers and sisters in recovery and the significance of having a support network
• Starting and growing a nonprofit focused on street outreach, mental health, and homelessness
• Practical steps in maintaining recovery, including prayer, service, and step work
• The importance of forgiveness, humility, and community in overcoming shame
• How faith and Jesus’s love are central to lasting change
• Managing relapse and turning setbacks into opportunities for growth
• The power of testimonies and shared stories to save lives
• Strategies for walking alongside those still struggling
• Practical advice for those feeling lost or overwhelmed in recovery

Don’t forget to check out “The Way Out Playlist” availableonly on Spotify. Curated by all our wonderful guests on the podcast!

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Contact Dana: contact@restoreofada.com

Book recommendation: The Bible

Best Advice: "Live every day until the day youdie."

Song that symbolizes recovery: Amazing Grace

Resources: Restore of Ada - https://restoreofada.com/

Biofeedback and Counseling, Inc - https://www.biofeedbackada.com/

In this episode of The Way Out Podcast, host Jason welcomesDana Hargus, a seasoned mental health therapist with over 25 years ofexperience. Dana shares her journey into the recovery community, emphasizingher role in helping individuals who have recently completed rehab. Shediscusses the importance of supporting clients as they navigate thecomplexities of rebuilding their lives after addiction, highlighting thechallenges they face even after achieving sobriety. Dana's passion for her workshines through as she describes the rewarding experience of witnessing clientsreestablish relationships and regain control over their lives.

Dana also introduces her innovative approach to therapy,which includes biofeedback and neurofeedback techniques. She explains how thesemethods help clients understand and regulate their brain functions, ultimatelyleading to improved mental health outcomes. Throughout the conversation, Danaemphasizes the importance of hope and the belief that recovery is a journeythat requires ongoing effort and support. Her insights into the limitations oftraditional treatment models and the potential of her methods provide a freshperspective on mental health and recovery.

Takeaways

"Recovery is being able to find your bestlife despite where you've been."

  "The reason people do addictive things isto meet a need they can't find another way to meet."

"There is always hope. You didn't get herein one day and you won't get out of here in one day, but do not give up."

"If we change things about our body, wechange things about our brain over the long haul."

   "You have to start adding stuff because yougot here because of what was added to the left side of thisteeter-totter."

Don’t forget to check out “The Way Out Playlist” availableonly on Spotify. Curated by all our wonderful guests on the podcast!

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Recovery literature (quit-lit) recommendation: Living Sober- https://www.aa.org/living-sober-book

Best piece of Recovery advice: We don’t have to takeourselves so seriously all the time

Song that symbolizes Recovery to Marie:

Somewhere Over the Rainbow - https://youtu.be/PSZxmZmBfnU

Takeaways

• Marie has been sober since September 6, 1983, marking over 42 years of recovery.
• She emphasizes the importance of community and service in recovery.
• Marie believes in keeping recovery simple and accessible.
• Literature, especially 'Living Sober', has been crucial in her recovery journey.
• She highlights the significance of understanding family dynamics in recovery.
• Marie advocates for kindness and non-judgment in helping others.
• She stresses the importance of self-care and health in recovery.
• Marie shares her experience of coping with grief after losing her son.
• Humor and lightness are essential in navigating recovery challenges.
• Marie encourages others to take what works for them and leave the rest.

Summary

In this episode of The Way Out Podcast, Marie Elden sharesher inspiring journey of recovery, which began on September 6, 1983. With over42 years of sobriety, Marie emphasizes the importance of community, service,and literature in the recovery process. She discusses her early life, thecultural transition to the United States, and the impact of alcoholism on herfamily dynamics. Marie highlights the significance of keeping recovery simple,the role of humor in navigating challenges, and the importance of self-care.Through her experiences, she offers valuable insights on coping with grief, theimportance of kindness, and the need for non-judgment in helping others.Marie's story is a testament to resilience and the power of recovery.

Don’t forget to check out “The Way Out Playlist” available onlyon Spotify. Curated by all our wonderful guests on the podcast!

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Recovery literature (quit-lit) recommendations:

Diana: Anything by Melody Beatie - https://www.melodybeattie.com/books/

Chris: Big Book - https://www.aa.org/the-big-book

Best pieces of Recovery advice:

Chris - Hit your knees and say please and thank you

Diana - Do you want to be happy or do you want to be right, W.A.I.T- Why Am I Talking?

Songs that symbolize Recovery:

Diana - That Wasn't Me by Brandi Carlisle - https://youtu.be/cNmo8I4dEQE?si=BvUxQJkB897H3lN1

Chris - Hurt by Johnny Cash - https://youtu.be/8AHCfZTRGiI?si=TQnUr1IYK6iIK5iN

Summary

In this episode of The Way Out Podcast, hosts Chris andDiana Albrecht share their personal recovery journeys, discussing theimportance of community, family dynamics, and the impact of trauma onaddiction. They delve into the significance of the 311 retreat, atransformative experience designed to foster connection and healing amongindividuals in recovery. The conversation highlights the essence of recovery,the role of spirituality, and the tools necessary for maintaining sobriety.Chris and Diana also provide insights into their family backgrounds and howthese experiences shaped their paths to recovery, emphasizing the need forself-compassion and understanding in the healing process.

Takeaways

Recovery is about experiencing a sense of peace, notmaterial gains.

Connection is the antidote to addiction and isolation is atrauma response.

The 311 retreat offers a unique experience for individualsin recovery.

Community plays a crucial role in the recovery process.

Family dynamics can significantly impact one's recoveryjourney.

Understanding trauma is essential for sustainable recovery.

Spiritual solutions are vital for filling the void left byaddiction.

The program provides tools for better communication andrelationships.

Self-compassion is necessary for healing and growth.

Recovery is a continuous journey that requires ongoingeffort and support.

Don’t forget to check out “The Way Out Playlist” availableonly on Spotify. Curated by all our wonderful guests on the podcast!

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Reach out to Tad Hopp Sober Coach Podcaster and YouTubeCreator Person in Long Recovery:

https://www.instagram.com/magicaltadrigal/

What That Drink Cost Me:

https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/what-that-drink-cost-me/id1829187266

Recovery literature (quit-lit) recommendation:

Blackout: Remembering the Things I Drank to Forget by Sara Hepola- https://a.co/d/01aMU1qE

Best piece of Recovery Advice: Don't quit until the miraclehappens!

Song that symbolizes Recovery to Tadd:

Fight Song by Rachel Platten - https://youtu.be/xo1VInw-SKc?si=48NquIBaU6mEeQsz

Takeaways

• Tad Hopp has over eight years of sobriety.
• He serves the recovery community as a sober coach and podcaster.
• His podcast, 'What That Drink Cost Me,' discusses the impact of alcohol.
• Community and connection are vital for recovery.
• Tad's Thanksgiving incident was a turning point in his sobriety journey.
• He emphasizes the importance of vulnerability in recovery.
• Tad found running as a healthy outlet in sobriety.
• He met his husband through a sober softball league.
• Forgiveness of past actions is a work in progress for Tad.
• Tad's story highlights the transformative power of recovery.

Summary

In this episode of The Way Out Podcast, Tad Hopp shares hisjourney of recovery from alcohol addiction, highlighting the importance ofcommunity, vulnerability, and personal growth. With over eight years ofsobriety, Tad discusses the pivotal moments that led him to seek help,including a Thanksgiving incident that served as a wake-up call. He emphasizesthe role of connection in recovery, the challenges he faced, and the successeshe has achieved, including finding love and launching a recovery podcast. Tad'sstory is a testament to the transformative power of sobriety and the importanceof sharing one's journey to inspire others.

Don’t forget to check out “The Way Out Playlist” available onlyon Spotify. Curated by all our wonderful guests on the podcast!

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Learn more about Person in Long Term Recovery, Mother Wifeand author Emily Redondo:

https://www.emilyredondoauthor.com/

Aces quiz: https://compassionprisonproject.org/take-the-ace-quiz/

Recovery literature (quit-lit) recommendations:

Twelve Steps and Twelve Traditions - https://www.aa.org/twelve-steps-twelve-traditions

Big Book - https://www.aa.org/the-big-book

Best Pieces of Recovery Advice:

Name it, claim it, and dump it!

Live and let live

Songs that symbolize Recovery to Emily:

Telepath by Manchester Orchestra - https://youtu.be/-R4gSeY0XtY?si=WO1ZgAl_dm9D5RK1

This Train Don't Stop There Anymore by Elton John - https://youtu.be/SsuHAn54wPs

Takeaways

Emily Redondo shares her journey through addiction andrecovery.

Alcohol was Emily's substance of choice, leading tosignificant struggles.

She emphasizes the importance of serving the recoverycommunity.

Recovery is a continuous process, not a destination.

Individual experiences in recovery can vary greatly.

Growing up in a family with addiction shaped Emily'sperspective.

Moving to Texas was a significant culture shock for Emily.

Her first experiences with alcohol were tied to feelings ofinadequacy.

Identifying as an alcoholic was a pivotal moment for Emily.

The complexity of addiction includes physical dependence andemotional struggles. Relapse often begins before the first drink.

Hindsight can distort our understanding of past actions.

Sobriety alone does not solve underlying issues.

Therapy is crucial for understanding trauma.

Feelings can be managed without resorting to substances.

Creativity can be a powerful outlet in recovery.

Authenticity in sharing experiences fosters connection.

Forgiveness is essential for personal growth.

Resentments can weigh heavily on recovery.

Music can symbolize and support the recovery journey.

Summary

In this episode, Emily Redondo shares her profound journeythrough addiction and recovery, detailing her experiences with alcohol, theimpact of her upbringing in a family with addiction, and her path to sobriety.She emphasizes the importance of community support, the complexities ofrecovery, and the ongoing nature of healing. Emily's story is a testament toresilience and the power of personal growth in the face of adversity. In thisconversation, Emily Redondo shares her profound journey through addiction,relapse, and recovery. She discusses the complexities of relapse, theimportance of understanding trauma, and the necessity of therapy in therecovery process. Emily emphasizes the significance of self-discovery,creativity, and authentic conversations in healing. She also reflects on hermemoir, 'Wife, Mother, Drunk,' and the insights it offers into the life of anaddict. The discussion culminates in the exploration of forgiveness and therole of music in recovery, highlighting the emotional landscape of addictionand the path to healing.

Don’t forget to check out “The Way Out Playlist” availableonly on Spotify. Curated by all our wonderful guests on the podcast!

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Learn more about Colette Baron-Reid Expert in the field ofpersonal transformation Author published in 27 language 19 oracle card decksand 8 books the newest is The Art of Manifesting:

https://www.colettebaronreid.com/

Recovery literature (quit-lit) recommendations:

Twenty Four Hours a Day - https://www.hazelden.org/store/item/1096?Twenty-Four-Hours-a-Day-Hardcover-24-Hours

Big Book - https://www.aa.org/the-big-book

Best piece of Recovery advice: You only have to stay sober today

Song that symbolizes Recovery to Colette: Gold Dust Woman byFleetwood Mac - https://youtu.be/EFUAI_tzfgU

Takeaways:

Embracing our gifts and talents is crucial in recovery.

Connection to a higher power fosters authenticrelationships.

Desperation can be a gift that leads to willingness.

Recovery is about living in the present moment.

The intersection of science and spirituality enhancesunderstanding of recovery.

Action is essential in manifesting change in our lives.

We broadcast a frequency that attracts similar energies.

Daily practices keep us aligned with our recovery goals.

Listening to our higher power guides our actions.

Community support is vital for sustained recovery.

Summary:

In this conversation, Colette Baron-Reid shares her profoundjourney of recovery, emphasizing the importance of transformation, community,and the role of a higher power. She reflects on her 40 years of sobriety, thesignificance of the 12 steps, and how creativity and manifestation have playedcrucial roles in her healing process. Colette discusses the science behindconsciousness and how it influences our experiences in recovery, encouragingothers to embrace their creativity and align with their true selves. In thisengaging conversation, Colette Baron-Reid and the host explore the profoundthemes of recovery, spirituality, and personal growth. They discuss theimportance of embracing one's gifts and talents in recovery, the power ofconnection with a higher power, and the transformative nature of desperation.The dialogue delves into the intersection of science and spirituality,emphasizing the role of action in manifesting change and the significance ofdaily recovery practices. The speakers share personal anecdotes and insights,highlighting the importance of community and the ongoing journey ofself-discovery in recovery.

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More about Janelle Martin

Doctor of functional medicine, Brain healer Licensedcounselor and founder of The Mind Connection a holistic mental health practicebased in Houston, Texas, where she helps clients heal from trauma, addiction,and emotional dysregulation using an integrative mind-body approach: https://mindconnection.org/

Janelle’s Book: Losing Her, Finding Us: A Mother's Fight, ADaughter's Journey and the Road to Recovery - https://a.co/d/7r17SHv

Recovery literature (quit-lit) recommendations:

High Achiever: The Incredible True Story of One Addict'sDouble Life by Tiffany Jenkins - https://a.co/d/75xRh9t

Beyond the Yellow Brick Road: Our Children and Drugs by BobMeehan - https://a.co/d/aP86wue

Best piece of Recovery advice: Let it go

Song that symbolizes Recovery to Janelle:

My Story by Big Daddy Weave - https://youtu.be/1TKAN-nAsu8?si=ptrgvKQfllYiSSrs

Summary

In this episode of The Way Out Podcast, Janelle Martinshares her profound journey through the challenges of parenting a child withaddiction. She emphasizes the importance of family recovery, the need forunconditional love, and the significance of long-term support systems. Janellediscusses her experiences with treatment, the impact of trauma, and the healingpower of connection. She also highlights her holistic approach to mental healththrough her practice, The Mind Connection, and the importance of ongoingrecovery practices.

Takeaways

• Recovery is best when families recover together.
• The whole family gets sick due to addiction.
• Parent meetings provide a lifeline for families.
• Letting go is crucial for parents of addicted children.
• Long-term recovery is essential for lasting change.
• Unconditional love can be found in recovery communities.
• Trauma plays a significant role in addiction.
• Writing a book helped bridge the gap between perspectives.
• Holistic healing can support brain health in recovery.
• Daily practices are vital for maintaining recovery.

Don’t forget to check out “The Way Out Playlist” availableonly on Spotify. Curated by all our wonderful guests on the podcast!

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Learn more about Mike Smith and The Gutter Gospel:

https://theguttergospel.com/home

Donate: https://theguttergospel.com/donate

Connect: Mike@theguttergospel.com

Aces Quiz: https://www.americanspcc.org/take-the-aces-quiz

Recovery literature (quit-lit) recommendations:

The Life Recovery Bible - https://a.co/d/2Pwrngm

The Purpose Driven Life by Rick Warren - https://a.co/d/fb44JC6

Best piece of Recovery advice: Be vulnerable

Song that symbolizes Recovery to Mike:

Love Walks In by Van Halen - https://youtu.be/jP4OUoze664?si=-MxEC6BfGFpeNrQo

Summary

In this conversation, Mike Smith shares his journey ofself-discovery, emphasizing the importance of understanding one's true desiresin life. He recounts a pivotal moment when he realized that what he trulywanted was acceptance, rather than material wealth or superficial achievements.

Takeaways

The importance of self-reflection in understanding desires.

Acceptance is a fundamental human need.

Material wealth does not equate to true happiness.

Listening to one's inner voice can lead to clarity.

Life's true desires often differ from societal expectations.

Moments of clarity can come unexpectedly.

Self-discovery is a continuous journey.

Traffic can serve as a metaphor for life's distractions.

Finding acceptance can be liberating.

True fulfillment comes from within.

Don’t forget to check out “The Way Out Playlist” available onlyon Spotify. Curated by all our wonderful guests on the podcast!

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Andrew Adams | High Impact Trainer Speaker and Coach: https://www.instagram.com/andr3wadams/

Recovery literature (quit-lit) recommendations:

The Narcotics Anonymous Step Working Guide - https://cwpascna.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/08/na_swg_12.pdf

Letting Go: The Pathway of Surrender - David Hawkins

Best piece of Recovery advice: Keep going and have fun

Song that symbolizes Recovery to Andrew: Bigger Than by JustinJesso, Seeb - https://youtu.be/BHd1YZmWMsU?si=VcvlI66ztNYh02mt

Takeaways

• Recovery is a journey of learning to love yourself.
• Sharing your story helps others feel less alone.
• Vulnerability allows for deeper connections in recovery.
• Self-forgiveness is essential for healing.
• Emotional intelligence plays a key role in recovery.
• Generational trauma can impact addiction.
• Choosing the hard path leads to personal growth.
• Physical activity is vital for mental health in recovery.
• Spirituality can be a personal journey outside of traditional religion.
• Creating a supportive community is crucial for recovery.

Summary

In this episode of The Way Out Podcast, Andrew Adams shareshis transformative journey through recovery, emphasizing the importance ofself-love, community, and emotional intelligence. He discusses the impact ofchildhood trauma on addiction, the significance of vulnerability in recovery,and the role of spirituality in healing. Andrew highlights the challenges ofself-forgiveness and the power of sharing one's story to inspire others. Healso explores various recovery pathways and the importance of physical activityand daily practices in sustaining recovery. The conversation culminates in adiscussion about the influence of music and literature in Andrew's recoveryjourney.

Don’t forget to check out “The Way Out Playlist” availableonlyon Spotify. Curated by all our wonderful guests on the podcast!

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Andrew Kramer | Person in long term recovery

Recovery Literature (Quit-Lit) Recommendation: Man's searchfor meaning - https://a.co/d/63SAIGB

Best piece of Recovery Advice: Extend yourself grace andforgiveness

More Than Meets The Eye by Testament - https://youtu.be/09rHDabBQfA?si=hMImOjjzoaU-72A5

Summary

In this conversation, Andrew Kramer shares his profoundjourney towards sobriety, highlighting a pivotal moment of desperation where hereached out to a higher power for help. He reflects on the dangerous mindset ofbeing an alcoholic who is aware yet indifferent to their condition, and how aheartfelt prayer led him to seek rehabilitation and ultimately change his life.

Don’t forget to check out “The Way Out Playlist” available onlyon Spotify. Curated by all our wonderful guests on the podcast!

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Contact Michelle: michelleshaivitz@gmail.com

Book recommendations: The Big Book and Broken Is A Gift byDr. Michelle Shaivitz

here's that link https://a.co/d/exo0n4z

Best Advice: "Life is hard sometimes. You are notentitled to anything. Acceptance is the key to all our happiness. Be a goodperson."

Song that symbolizes recovery:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VzGAYNKDyIU&list=RDVzGAYNKDyIU&start_radio=1

Resources: https://womenforsobriety.org/

Summary

In this conversation, Michelle Shaivitz shares her personaljourney with alcoholism, detailing the progression of her addiction and thesecretive behaviors that accompanied it. She reflects on how her drinkinghabits evolved from casual to compulsive, highlighting the emotional strugglestied to her addiction and the impact on her relationships.

Don’t forget to check out “The Way Out Playlist” availableonly on Spotify. Curated by all our wonderful guests on the podcast!

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Reach out to Trevor Shick: https://www.linkedin.com/in/trevor-shick-27b2971a6/

Roo Mi:

https://kindhabitlabs.com/

Recovery literature (Quit-Lit) Recommendation)

Ego is the enemy by Ryan Holiday - https://a.co/d/eq0dpaR

Best Piece of Recovery advice: The people that make themeeting make it

Song that symbolizes Recovery: Am I dreaming by Metro Boomin,A$AP Rocky - https://youtu.be/7aUZtDaxS60

Takeaways

Recovery means getting another chance to live.

Emotional sobriety is different from just being dry.

Service commitments keep us engaged in recovery.

Connection with others is essential for recovery.

Honesty with oneself and others is crucial.

Taking ownership of one's recovery journey is empowering.

Community support can transform the recovery experience.

Finding joy in life again is a key aspect of recovery.

Relapses are common but do not define recovery.

The journey of recovery is ongoing and requires dailyeffort. Hearing others' stories can lead to personal transformation.

Vulnerability is essential for growth in recovery.

Accountability helps maintain progress in sober living.

Daily routines play a crucial role in recovery.

Community engagement enhances the recovery experience.

Forgiveness is a vital part of healing.

Relationships are often the greatest success in recovery.

Literature can provide profound insights into recovery.

It's important to hold oneself accountable for actions.

Sober living environments need effective management tools.

Summary

In this episode of The Way Out Podcast, Trevor Shick shareshis journey through addiction and recovery, highlighting the impact of alcoholon his life and the importance of emotional sobriety. He discusses the role ofservice and community in recovery, the challenges of relapses, and thesignificance of honesty and open-mindedness in the recovery process. Trevoremphasizes the joy of living a sober life and the connections he has builtwithin the recovery community, illustrating that recovery is an ongoing journeythat requires daily commitment and effort. In this conversation, Trevor Shickshares his transformative journey through recovery, emphasizing the importanceof vulnerability, accountability, and community. He introduces Kind Habit Labsand its flagship product, Rumi, an app designed to enhance accountability insober living environments. The discussion highlights common challenges faced inrecovery, the significance of daily routines, and the impact of literature andadvice on personal growth. Trevor also reflects on forgiveness and therelationships that define success in recovery, concluding with a symbolic songthat resonates with his journey.

Don’t forget to check out “The Way Out Playlist” availableonlyon Spotify. Curated by all our wonderful guests on the podcast!

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Recovery literature (quit-lit) recommendation: AA Big Book -https://www.aa.org/the-big-book

Best piece of Recovery advice: Let go, let God.

Song that symbolizes Recovery to Omar: Survivor by ZachWilliams - https://youtu.be/8R4tdF2s42w?si=WAl4sXZDv5M3IW1W

Takeaways

Every day is a miracle in recovery.

Sharing recovery stories provides hope to others.

Serving the recovery community is essential for personalgrowth.

Recovery is more about self-discovery than just abstainingfrom substances.

Feeling different and not belonging can lead to addiction.

Drugs provided a false sense of confidence and acceptance.

Recovery involves learning to sit with feelings andemotions.

Action is crucial in maintaining recovery and emotionalstability.

Understanding fears and character defects is key torecovery.

Practicing patience and non-action can lead to betteroutcomes.

Summary

In this episode of The Way Out Podcast, Omar shares hisinspiring journey of recovery from addiction, detailing his experiences withvarious substances, the importance of community support, and the transformativepower of sharing recovery stories. He emphasizes the significance ofself-discovery, emotional regulation, and the necessity of serving others inthe recovery process. Omar discusses the challenges of rebuilding relationshipsand the ongoing journey of forgiveness, both for himself and others. He highlightsthe daily practices that support his recovery, including prayer, exercise, andjournaling, and reflects on the impactful literature that has guided him,particularly the Big Book. The conversation concludes with a discussion on theimportance of letting go and trusting the process of recovery, as well as thesymbolic songs that resonate with the journey of healing.

Don’t forget to check out “The Way Out Playlist” available onlyon Spotify. Curated by all our wonderful guests on the podcast!

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Contact: connect@breathesober.com

Recovery literature recommendation: Breaking The Habit ofBeing Yourself: How to Lose Your Mind and Create a New One by by Dr. JoeDispenza - https://a.co/d/af5yWmi

Best piece of Recovery Advice: "That's not so bad"(don't take things too seriously)

Song that symbolizes Recovery to Hamza : Wasting My YoungYears by London Grammar - https://youtu.be/pkeDBwsIaZw

Resources: Youtube:https://www.youtube.com/@breathesober.sobriety

Masterclass:https://youtu.be/hA7g7zvCx1M?si=-bAu0P1Gx0ZEIZJe

Website www.breathesober.com

Calendar link: www.breathesober-reset.com/clarity-call

Summary

In this episode, Hamza Najam shares his journey of recoveryfrom addiction, focusing on the importance of understanding the root causes ofsubstance use. He discusses his experiences with alcohol and cocaine, thestruggles he faced in seeking help, and the transformative power of breathworkand meditation. Hamza emphasizes the significance of building new habits,emotional healing, and the role of community support in recovery. He alsohighlights the importance of daily routines and self-care, offering insightsinto literature that has impacted his journey. The conversation concludes withencouragement for those still struggling, reminding them that recovery ispossible and that taking the first step is crucial.

Takeaways

Recovery means taking full ownership of your situation.

Breathwork and meditation can help regulate the nervoussystem.

Understanding the root causes of addiction is essential forrecovery.

Building new habits is crucial for long-term sobriety.

Emotional healing involves releasing stored energy from pasttraumas.

Community support plays a vital role in recovery.

Daily routines are essential for maintaining a healthylifestyle.

Feelings are not facts; they can mislead us.

The quality of life is the true currency of happiness.

Every day is an opportunity to choose a different path.

Don’t forget to check out “The Way Out Playlist” availableonlyon Spotify. Curated by all our wonderful guests on the podcast!

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Learn more about Sober Songs the Musical:

https://www.sobersongsthemusical.com/

Guests:

MELANI CARRIÉ

Musician & Actor Plays Angie

HENRY RYEDER

Musician & Actor Plays Dean

Angie's best piece of Recovery advice - What other peoplethink is not of your business

Dean's best piece of Recovery advice - Don't get well toosoon Dean

Songs that symbolize Recovery to Mel & Henry:

Mel - Opening & Closing Song Welcome Back

Henry - If nothing changes

Summary

In this episode of The Way Out Podcast, hosts Charlie andguests Henry Ryder and Melanie Carrier discuss the off-Broadway musical 'SoberSongs,' which explores the complexities of recovery through humor and music.They delve into how the show serves the recovery community, the importance ofcommunity and relationships in recovery, and the unique portrayal of addictionin popular culture. Both guests share their personal experiences and insightsgained from their roles, emphasizing the significance of self-awareness,honesty, and the ongoing journey of recovery.

Takeaways

Sober Songs brings humor to the recovery narrative.

The importance of community in recovery cannot beoverstated.

Recovery is a journey that intertwines with personalidentity.

Self-awareness is crucial in recognizing the need forchange.

Relationships play a vital role in sustaining recovery.

The show aims to lower barriers to conversations aboutrecovery.

Humor is an essential part of the recovery process.

Each character represents different stages of recovery.

The portrayal of recovery in media often lacks depth andauthenticity.

Sober Songs encourages open discussions about addiction andrecovery.

Don’t forget to check out “The Way Out Playlist” available onlyon Spotify. Curated by all our wonderful guests on the podcast!

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Michael Z:

Wisdom of the Rooms (Book and Daily Email List) - https://thewisdomoftherooms.com/

Twelve Steps: A Modern Hero’s Journey - https://a.co/d/a3j1a1j

Recovery literature (quit-lit) recommendations:

Big Book - https://www.aa.org/the-big-book

Sermon on the Mount - https://a.co/d/gQ0zjwE

Best piece of Recovery advice: Find someone to be honestwith, a mentor or sponsor

Stairway to Heaven by Led Zepplin - https://youtu.be/iXQUu5Dti4g

Heroes by David Bowie - https://youtu.be/lXgkuM2NhYI

Summary

In this episode of The Way Out Podcast, Michael Z shares hisprofound journey of recovery, emphasizing the importance of the 12 steps andthe hero's journey. He discusses the significance of morning pages, serving therecovery community, and the role of quotes in maintaining a positive mindset.Michael reflects on the nature of worry, the power of a higher power, and thetransformative process of letting go of old habits. He draws parallels betweenthe hero's journey and recovery, highlighting the importance of mentors, theabyss of self-reflection, and the ultimate goal of sharing one's experience toheal others. The conversation concludes with insights on daily recoverypractices, forgiveness, and the empowering nature of music in recovery.

Takeaways

Recovery is a journey of self-discovery and transformation.

Morning pages help clear negativity and foster gratitude.

Serving the recovery community is a vital part of healing.

Quotes can provide strength and inspiration in recovery.

Worry is a waste of imagination and energy.

Recovery is about aligning with a higher power's will.

The hero's journey mirrors the recovery process.

Letting go of old habits is essential for transformation.

Daily practices are crucial for maintaining recovery.

Forgiveness is a continuous process in recovery.

Don’t forget to check out “The Way Out Playlist” availableeonlyon Spotify. Curated by all our wonderful guests on the podcast!

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Dr. Larry Smith Author of Johnnie and Me: Facing the Voiceof Alcohol Within, Retired Chiropractor, Person in Long Term Recovery

https://www.drlarrysmithauthor.com/

Recovery literature (quit-lit) recommendation:

Count Your Blessings by John F. Demartini - https://a.co/d/70wltK0

Best piece of Recovery advice: Practice Gratitude

Take it Easy by The Eagles - https://youtu.be/32Oc2d_3yEk

Summary

In this episode of The Way Out Podcast, Dr. Larry Smithshares his profound journey through addiction and recovery, discussing hisexperiences with various substances, the impact of trauma, and the importanceof authenticity and service in recovery. He emphasizes the significance ofcommunity support, the challenges faced during recovery, and the transformativepower of writing. Dr. Smith also highlights the importance of gratitude anddaily practices in maintaining sobriety, while sharing insights from his newbook, 'Johnny and Me: Facing the Voice of Alcohol Within.'

Takeaways

Recovery is about living authentically and embracing who youare.

The journey of recovery is often long and requiresresilience.

Serving the recovery community is a vital part of healing.

Trauma can have lasting effects, but healing is possible.

Writing can be a powerful tool for processing experiences.

Daily practices and routines are essential for maintainingsobriety.

Forgiveness is a journey that takes time and effort.

Connection with others in recovery fosters understanding andsupport.

Gratitude can transform the way we experience life.

Sharing our stories can inspire hope in others.

Don’t forget to check out “The Way Out Playlist” available eonlyon Spotify. Curated by all our wonderful guests on the podcast!

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Contact Dave: 612-414-5575

Contact Cherish: 719-851-0143

Recovery literature recommendation: The Bible

Best Advice: "Be Obedient" and "Embrace yourpain"

Songs that symbolize recovery to Cherish:

The Blood by Bethel Music, Jenn Johnson, feat. Mitch Wong - https://youtu.be/4DtiMf1xoLM

Look What You've Done by Tasha Layton - https://youtu.be/ZyfUdwGBjtk?si=kljGO_Mo62x-njow

Dave's pick: Black Sheep by Ben Fuller - https://youtu.be/erc4IeGwfjk?si=9fA05JkFs38t7UeT

Takeaways

Cherish's drug of choice was methamphetamines andcodependency.

Dave grew up with an alcoholic father, which influenced hischoices.

Recovery means community and plugging into the church forCherish.

Dave has been serving the recovery community for 25 years.

Cherish is passionate about eradicating homelessness andaddiction.

Both Cherish and Dave emphasize the importance of prayer inrecovery.

Cherish's relationship with her daughter has improvedsignificantly through recovery.

Dave's ministry focuses on helping those who feel lost andhopeless.

The joy of the Lord is a central theme in theirconversations.

Cherish and Dave believe in the power of divineappointments. Cherish highlights the transformation of a friend through faithand community involvement.

God's patience and grace are central to the recoveryprocess.

Forgiveness is essential for personal healing and growth.

Living out one's purpose in Christ brings joy andfulfillment.

Daily routines can significantly impact spiritual health andrecovery.

The Bible is a powerful tool for guidance andtransformation.

Advice to put God first can change one's perspective onlife.

Protecting sobriety is crucial, akin to caring for anewborn.

Music can serve as a healing tool in recovery.

Running to God, not away from Him, is vital for healing.

Summary

In this episode of The Way Out Podcast, hosts Jason, CherishBlowers, and Dave Johnson discuss their personal journeys through addiction andrecovery. Cherish shares her struggles with methamphetamines and codependency,while Dave reflects on his upbringing with an alcoholic father. Both emphasizethe importance of community, prayer, and mentorship in the recovery process.They highlight the transformative power of faith and the joy of serving others,as well as the vision for Lost Sheep Ministries, which aims to help those inneed. The conversation is filled with personal stories, insights, and a sharedcommitment to helping others find hope and healing. In this conversation,Cherish Blowers and Dave share their transformative journeys of faith,recovery, and community. They discuss the importance of understanding God'svoice, the power of forgiveness, and the significance of daily routines inspiritual growth. They also reflect on impactful literature, the challengesfaced in recovery, and the healing power of music. Their parting messagesemphasize hope, encouragement, and the importance of running to God in times ofstruggle.

Don’t forget to check out “The Way Out Playlist” availableonly on Spotify. Curated by all our wonderful guests on the podcast!

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Reach out to Author, ADHD Coach and person in long termrecovery Serena Palmer:

https://www.serena.consulting/

My Two Brains and Me by Serena Palmer: https://a.co/d/b7Y9qA5

More about box breathing: https://www.verywellhealth.com/box-breathing-8423967

Recovery Literature (quit-lit) recommendation:

24 Hours a Day - https://a.co/d/6Y9iXqe

Best piece of Recovery advice: Stay in your own lane

Song that symbolizes Recovery to Serena:

When Doves Cry by Prince: https://youtu.be/UG3VcCAlUgE?si=zYBo7-63wDb6nDRO

Summary

In this episode of The Way Out Podcast, Serena Palmer sharesher journey through recovery and her experiences with ADHD. She discusses theconnection between ADHD and addiction, the importance of recovery communities,and the role of social media in raising awareness about ADHD. Serena alsohighlights the unique challenges faced by women with ADHD and the impact ofsocietal expectations on their experiences. Through personal anecdotes, sheillustrates the complexities of addiction and the journey to self-acceptanceand healing. In this conversation, Serena Palmer shares her profound journeythrough addiction and recovery, detailing the escalation of her drinking, thebreaking point that led to her seeking help, and the ongoing challenges shefaces in maintaining sobriety. She discusses the insanity of addiction, theturning point in her recovery, and the importance of embracing learning andpersonal growth. Serena emphasizes the power of daily recovery practices, thesignificance of forgiveness, and the role of music in her healing process. Herstory is one of resilience, self-discovery, and the continuous journey ofrecovery.

Takeaways

Recovery is about freedom of choices and believing in magic.

Many people with ADHD may not realize they are addicts.

Social media can be a powerful tool for ADHD awareness.

ADHD symptoms can be exacerbated by hormonal changes.

Women often experience ADHD differently than men, leading tolate diagnoses.

The journey of recovery is often intertwined withunderstanding one's ADHD.

Emotional regulation is a significant challenge for thosewith ADHD.

Masking behaviors can lead to exhaustion and addiction.

Personal stories of addiction can help others feel lessalone.

Recovery is a continuous journey that requires honesty andsupport. Binge drinking escalated to dangerous levels.

Addiction leads to a cycle of self-loathing and harm.

The breaking point often comes unexpectedly.

Recovery requires facing painful truths.

Daily practices are essential for maintaining sobriety.

Forgiveness is a crucial part of healing.

Emotional regulation is a learned skill.

Music can be a powerful tool in recovery.

Self-discovery is a continuous journey.

Quality of sobriety matters more than duration.

Don’t forget to check out “The Way Out Playlist” available onlyon Spotify. Curated by all our wonderful guests on the podcast!

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Contact Andrew: mercado.media.productions@gmail.com

Best Piece of Recovery Advice: One day at a time

Song recommendation: Not Afraid by Eminem - https://youtu.be/j5-yKhDd64s

Check out Mercado Media on YouTube

Mercado Media – https://www.youtube.com/@mercadomedia

Takeaways

Andrew Mercado shares his journey from addiction to recovery.

He emphasizes the importance of community and sharing one's story.

Recovery is a personal journey that varies for everyone.

The military provided structure that helped him avoid addiction during service.

Addiction can manifest in various forms, even for those with supportive backgrounds.

Cocaine addiction led to reckless behavior and near-miss encounters with law enforcement.

Treatment experiences can differ greatly, and not all programs work for everyone.

Andrew highlights the need for more veteran-focused recovery resources.

He reflects on the importance of living recovery out loud to help others.

The conversation underscores that addiction does not discriminate based on background. Surrendering control is essential for recovery.

Hyper-focusing on recovery can lead to success.

Quitting smoking is a personal journey with challenges.

Mercado Media was born out of a desire for unfiltered news.

COVID-19 changed the landscape of media reporting.

Engaging with the community is vital for media success.

War journalism presents unique challenges and experiences.

Recovery is a continuous journey with ups and downs.

Forgiveness is a crucial part of healing.

Music can be a powerful symbol of recovery.

Summary

In this episode, Andrew Mercado shares his personal journey from being a cocaine addict to finding recovery and purpose. He discusses the impact of his military background, the challenges of transitioning to civilian life, and the importance of community in recovery. Andrew reflects on his experiences with addiction, the consequences he faced, and the wake-up calls that led him to seek help. He emphasizes the need for more veteran-focused recovery resources and the significance of living recovery out loud to inspire others. In this conversation, Andrew Mercado shares his journey from addiction to recovery and the founding of Mercado Media. He discusses the importance of surrendering control in recovery, the challenges of quitting smoking, and the impact of COVID-19 on media reporting. Andrew highlights the significance of engaging with the community and the unique experiences of war journalism. He emphasizes the continuous nature of recovery, the importance of forgiveness, and the power of music as a symbol of recovery. Throughout the discussion, Andrew offers encouragement to those struggling with addiction, reminding them that recovery is a personal journey that can lead to success and fulfillment.

Don’t forget to check out “The Way Out Playlist” availableonly on Spotify. Curated by all our wonderful guests on the podcast!

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Learn more about Kaila Yu:

https://kailayu.com/

Recovery literature (quit-lit) recommendation:

 AA Big Book - https://www.aa.org/the-big-book

Best piece of Recovery advice: It's all happening FOR me

Song that symbolizes Recovery to Kaila:

Welcome to the Jungle Guns N’ Roses - https://youtu.be/o1tj2zJ2Wvg

Takeaways:

Kyla has been sober for nearly 12 years, emphasizing theimportance of community in recovery.

Emotional sobriety is as crucial as physical sobriety in therecovery journey.

Kyla's strict upbringing contributed to her feelings ofinadequacy and social anxiety.

The first experience with ecstasy provided a sense of joyand acceptance that was previously missing.

Cocaine use escalated quickly, leading to a loss of controland moral decline.

Kyla's music career was intertwined with her substance use,leading to significant challenges.

Service to the recovery community is essential formaintaining sobriety.

Writing became a therapeutic outlet for Kyla, leading to herupcoming book.

Sharing personal stories helps to break stigma and shameassociated with addiction.

Kyla's journey illustrates the importance of forgiveness andself-acceptance in recovery.

Summary

In this episode of The Way Out Podcast, Kyla shares herjourney of recovery from addiction, emphasizing the importance of emotionalsobriety, community support, and the power of storytelling. She discusses herexperiences with substance use, the impact of her upbringing, and how she foundhealing through writing and service to others. Kyla's insights highlight thecomplexities of recovery, including the challenges of feeling emotions and thesignificance of forgiveness and self-acceptance. Her upcoming book,'Fetishized,' explores themes of identity and empowerment, showcasing hergrowth and resilience throughout her recovery journey.

Don’t forget to check out “The Way Out Playlist” availableonly on Spotify. Curated by all our wonderful guests on the podcast!

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Learn more about Jam Alker’s work:

https://www.jamalker.com/

Recovery literature (quit-lit) recommendation:

AA Big Book - https://www.aa.org/the-big-book

Best pieces of Recovery advice:

Keep coming back!

Get comfortable being uncomfortable

Shut up and listen

Song that symbolizes Recovery to Jam:

A Call to Arms by Jam Alker - https://youtu.be/-SSCMS4-PX4

Summary

In this episode of The Way Out Podcast, Jam Alker shares hisprofound journey of recovery from addiction, emphasizing the importance ofvulnerability, service, and holistic health. He discusses his experiences withsubstance use, the evolution of his recovery, and the establishment of hiswellness center, HEAL. Jam highlights the significance of personal growth, thechallenges of navigating wellness options, and the power of community inrecovery. He reflects on the lessons learned through adversity and the joyfound in being present for loved ones, ultimately advocating for a life ofservice and gratitude.

Takeaways

Recovery is about moving outside of your comfort zone.

Service to others is the foundation of recovery.

Holistic health practices can significantly improvewell-being.

The journey of recovery is ongoing and evolves over time.

Letting go of what no longer serves you is crucial forgrowth.

Daily routines and practices are essential for maintainingrecovery.

Gratitude plays a vital role in a positive outlook on life.

The principles of recovery can be applied to overallwellness.

It's important to run experiments in your recovery journey.

Forgiveness and acceptance are key to living a fulfillinglife.

Don’t forget to check out “The Way Out Playlist” available onlyon Spotify. Curated by all our wonderful guests on the podcast!

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Contact Jon: https://www.jonseidl.com/confessions-of-a-christian-alcoholic-book

Jon’s book: Finding Rest: A Survivor's Guide to Navigatingthe Valleys of Anxiety, Faith, and Life - https://a.co/d/g1UwG6v

Recovery literature (quit-lit) recommendation:  

Living Fearless: Exchanging the Lies of the World for theLiberating Truth of God by Jamie Winship -  https://a.co/d/e8paRPU

Best Piece of Recovery Advice: "Get to the root to getto the rot!"

Song that symbolizes recovery to Jon:  Only Jesus ForMy Pain by Cory Asbury - https://youtu.be/bVJfUZ_oYJI?si=UbrV1j8foqtkBXa_

Takeaways

Recovery is more than just sobriety; it's about spiritualgrowth.

Radical vulnerability is essential in sharing one's story.

The journey to sobriety often involves multiple steps andrealizations.

Childhood trauma can significantly impact adult behavior andchoices.

Escapism is a common theme in addiction and recovery.

Therapy plays a crucial role in understanding and healingfrom past traumas.

Writing can be a therapeutic outlet for sharing experiences.

Community support is vital in the recovery process.

Acknowledging the root causes of addiction is necessary forlasting change.

Faith can provide strength and guidance in the recoveryjourney. Addiction is often rooted in misordered priorities.

Self-reflection is crucial for understanding one'srelationship with substances.

Idolatry can manifest in various forms, including addiction.

The journey of recovery is a continuous process ofsanctification.

Facing emotions is one of the hardest challenges inrecovery.

Finding hope in Jesus is essential for lasting change.

Daily routines play a significant role in maintainingsobriety.

Literature can provide valuable insights and inspiration forrecovery.

Forgiveness is a vital aspect of healing and moving forward.

Recovery is about choosing life over numbing pain.

Summary

In this conversation, John Seidl shares his journey ofrecovery from addiction, emphasizing the importance of spirituality,vulnerability, and community support. He discusses the impact of childhoodtrauma on his life and how it influenced his relationship with alcohol. Johnhighlights the significance of therapy in his healing process and the role ofwriting as a therapeutic outlet. He encourages listeners to understand thatrecovery is more than just achieving sobriety; it involves addressing deeper issuesand finding hope and purpose in life. In this conversation, Jon Seidl discussesthe complexities of addiction, the importance of understanding misorderedpriorities, and the role of faith in recovery. He emphasizes the need forself-reflection, the dangers of idolatry, and the significance of emotionalhealing. Jon shares his personal journey of recovery, highlighting the processof sanctification and the daily routines that support his sobriety. He alsoreflects on the challenges of forgiveness and the transformative power of hopefound in Jesus, concluding with recommendations for literature and songs thatresonate with the recovery experience.

Don’t forget to check out “The Way Out Playlist” availableonly on Spotify. Curated by all our wonderful guests on the podcast!

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Contact Emiliano: freeforever010224@gmail.com

Recovery Literature (Quit-Lit) Recommendations: The Bibleand the Big Book

Best Pieces of Recovery Advice: Embrace the present moment |One Day at a Time

Song that symbolizes recovery: Made for More by Josh Baldwin-

https://youtu.be/UnLQvzAUiCo?si=M2XCtuxH4MQvJ-sq

Summary

In this episode, Emiliano Roman shares his profound journeythrough addiction, recovery, and personal transformation. He discusses hisearly experiences with substance abuse, the impact of family dynamics, and thestruggles of becoming a parent while battling addiction. Emiliano reflects onthe consequences of his actions, including time spent in prison and thechallenges of homelessness. Ultimately, he emphasizes the importance ofrecovery, spirituality, and the ongoing journey of healing and growth. In thisconversation, Emiliano Roman shares his profound journey of recovery fromaddiction, detailing the pivotal moments that led him to sobriety. He recountsthe harrowing experience of turning himself in at gunpoint, the challengesfaced during treatment, and the transformative power of faith and communitysupport. Emiliano emphasizes the importance of taking ownership of one'sactions, the role of forgiveness, and the joy of rebuilding relationships withhis children. His story is one of resilience, hope, and the belief that a newlife is possible through dedication and support.

Takeaways

Recovery is about restoration and developing spirituality.

Addiction can manifest in various forms beyond substances.

Family dynamics play a crucial role in shaping our lives.

Childhood trauma can lead to feelings of isolation andemptiness.

Substance use often begins as a way to cope with deeperissues.

Consequences of actions can lead to significant lifechanges.

Parenthood can be both a motivator and a challenge for thosein recovery.

The journey of recovery is ongoing and requires action.

Finding community and support is vital in the recoveryprocess.

Transformation is possible, regardless of past experiences.Emiliano's journey into sobriety began at gunpoint, highlighting a pivotalmoment of choice.

He faced numerous legal challenges but chose to confrontthem rather than run away.

The importance of community and faith played a significantrole in his recovery.

Emiliano learned to embrace vulnerability and becameteachable during treatment.

He developed a daily routine that includes prayer,meditation, and journaling.

Forgiveness is a crucial aspect of recovery, both foroneself and others.

Emiliano's relationship with his children has been restored,marking a significant success in his life.

He emphasizes the importance of taking action in recoveryand not just relying on words.

The concept of surrendering to a higher power wastransformative for Emiliano.

He encourages others to never give up on themselves and tokeep hope alive.

Don’t forget to check out “The Way Out Playlist” available onlyon Spotify. Curated by all our wonderful guests on the podcast!

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Jason Robinson and Recovery Café Lexington:

https://recoverycafelexington.org/

Recovery literature (Quit-Lit) Recommendations:

AA Big Book - https://www.aa.org/the-big-book

Breathing Under Water: Spirituality and the Twelve Steps byRichard Rohr - https://a.co/d/26eQqPf

Best pieces of Recovery Advice:

Keep coming back

Do the next right thing

Song that symbolizes Recovery to Jason:

Running Down a Dream by Tom Petty - https://youtu.be/Y1D3a5eDJIs?si=ef3FuEwZzh9RWnbS

Summary

In this episode of The Way Out Podcast, Jason Robinsonshares his inspiring journey of recovery spanning over 18 years. He discusseshis initial struggles with alcohol and other substances, the pivotal momentsthat led him to seek help, and the profound impact of the Recovery Cafe in hislife and community. Jason emphasizes the importance of community support,personal growth, and the ongoing journey of recovery, highlighting the toolsand practices that have helped him maintain his sobriety. He reflects on thechallenges of romantic relationships in recovery and the significance offorgiveness and kindness in his daily life. Jason's story is a testament to thetransformative power of recovery and the importance of helping others along theway.

Takeaways

·      Jason identifies as an opportunistic user,primarily struggling with alcohol.

·      He has been sober since June 21, 2007, marking18 years of recovery.

·      Service to the recovery community has been acornerstone of his journey.

·      Recovery Cafe Lexington provides a safe spacefor individuals in recovery.

·      The cafe model emphasizes meeting people wherethey are, regardless of their recovery journey.

·      Recovery means being at peace with oneself andunderstanding diverse pathways to recovery.

·      Jason's turning point came during a family tripwhere he realized he needed help.

·      He emphasizes the importance of community inovercoming addiction.

·      Daily practices include reading recoveryliterature and practicing kindness.

·      Forgiveness remains a challenge, particularlyregarding past relationships.

Don’t forget to check out “The Way Out Playlist” availableonly on Spotify. Curated by all our wonderful guests on the podcast!

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Scott Strode:

Executive Director and Founder of The Phoenix - https://thephoenix.org/

Co-Founder Newform - https://www.newform.org/

Author of Rise. Recover. Thrive. How I Got Strong, GotSober, and Built a Movement of Hope - https://a.co/d/dFqBSWG

Recovery literature (quit-lit) recommendation: The DeepestWell: Healing the Long-Term Effects of Childhood Trauma and Adversity - https://a.co/d/6g6EoKH

Aces score: https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2015/03/02/387007941/take-the-ace-quiz-and-learn-what-it-does-and-doesnt-mean

Best piece of Recovery advice: Give yourself grace andempathy.

Songs that symbolize Recovery:

Baby shark

2LOT & Aloe Blacc – Immortal - https://youtu.be/smvoB2RN06c

Summary

In this episode of The Way Out Podcast, Scott Strode shareshis profound journey through addiction and recovery, emphasizing the importanceof community, connection, and self-reflection. He discusses his experienceswith substance use, the impact of adverse childhood experiences, and how hefounded The Phoenix, a free, sober, active community that supports individualsin recovery. Scott highlights the significance of building authenticrelationships and the role of various recovery resources, including the NewForm app, in fostering a supportive environment for healing and growth. Hereflects on the challenges and successes of his recovery journey, ultimatelyconveying a message of hope and resilience.

Takeaways

·      Scott Strode has over 28 years of continuoussobriety.

·      Addiction often begins with substances likealcohol, which can lead to harder drugs.

·      Community and connection are vital in therecovery process.

·      The Phoenix is a free, sober, active communitythat promotes healing through activities.

·      Recovery is a journey of self-reflection andpersonal growth.

·      Adverse childhood experiences can significantlyimpact one's life and recovery.

·      It's important to seek support and buildauthentic relationships in recovery.

·      The New Form app connects individuals to variousrecovery resources and communities.

·      Forgiveness and grace towards oneself arecrucial in the healing process.

·      Recovery is not a competition; every journey isunique and worth celebrating.

Don’t forget to check out “The Way Out Playlist” available onlyon Spotify. Curated by all our wonderful guests on the podcast!

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Shurr JR:

https://linktr.ee/shurrjrband

Recovery literature (Quit-lit) Recommendation: The Easy Wayto Quit Drinking by Allen Carr - https://a.co/d/eNLCK9o

Best piece of recovery advice: Learn to forgive yourself

Song that symbolizes Recovery to Frankie: Here comes theregular by The Replacements - https://youtu.be/sdbXGi2WX0Q

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Summary

In this episode of The Way Out Podcast, Frankie Maxwell Jr. shares his journey through addiction and recovery, highlighting the transformative power of music and family support. He discusses his sobriety since October 10, 2021, and how recovery has allowed him to appreciate life's small joys. Frankie emphasizes the importance of honesty in recovery and reflects on the chaos of addiction versus the peace found in sobriety. He also shares insights on the creative process in his band, Shur Jr., and the role of family in his healing journey. In this conversation, Frankie Maxwell Jr. and Charlie explore the complexities of addiction, the importance of self-compassion, and the role of music in recovery. They discuss personal experiences with addiction, the significance of daily routines, and the impact of family relationships on recovery. Frankie shares his musical influences and how they shape his artistic expression, while also reflecting on the importance of forgiveness and celebrating successes in recovery.

Takeaways:

• Frankie has been sober since October 10, 2021.
• He uses music as a therapeutic outlet for his experiences with addiction.
• Recovery has allowed him to appreciate the small joys in life.
• Frankie emphasizes the importance of honesty in recovery.
• He believes that laughter is a crucial part of healing.
• The band Shur Jr. was formed as a creative outlet during recovery.
• Frankie finds that sobriety enhances his creativity.
• He acknowledges the role of family support in his recovery journey.
• Frankie reflects on the chaos of addiction and the peace of sobriety.
• He recognizes the importance of processing grief without substances. Addiction often stems from a desire to escape reality.
• Self-compassion is crucial in navigating recovery.
• Finding healthier outlets can replace harmful behaviors.
• Music serves as a powerful influence in recovery.
• Daily routines can significantly impact recovery success.
• Forgiveness is essential for personal growth.
• Family relationships can shape recovery experiences.
• Celebrating small successes is important in recovery.
• Understanding the root causes of addiction can aid in healing.
• Music can symbolize and support the recovery journey.

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