Intersections

Rob Kaplan returns to Intersections for a wide-ranging discussion on the forces shaping America’s economic future. Drawing on his experience as Vice Chairman of Goldman Sachs, former President of the Dallas Federal Reserve, and Harvard Business School professor, Kaplan explores workforce shortages, immigration policy, AI adoption, inflation, federal debt, leadership, and the growing divide between high- and low-income Americans.

The conversation also highlights why Dallas continues to thrive, the importance of local leadership, and how business leaders can help address challenges like education, poverty, and workforce development. Kaplan offers a pragmatic look at the opportunities and risks facing the U.S. economy while emphasizing the need for growth, productivity, and collaboration.

In This Episode

05:03 Dallas’ Growth, Challenges & Economic Future

08:10 The Biggest Economic Changes of the Last Year

12:00 Leadership, Trust & Solving Problems Locally

18:02 Goldman Sachs, Dallas Growth & Interstate Competition

29:40 Immigration, Labor Shortages & Workforce Growth

31:49 America’s Debt Crisis & Fiscal Reality

39:00 AI, Productivity & The Future of Work

43:40 Entrepreneurship, Consolidation & Competitive Advantage

47:03 The K-Shaped Economy & Income Inequality

51:00 Inflation, Interest Rates & The Federal Reserve

57:30 What Comes Next for the U.S. Economy

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Elaine Agather is the Global Vice Chair and Chairman of the Dallas Region for JPMorgan Chase, where she has spent nearly five decades building one of the most respected careers in banking. From growing up in Sherman, Texas with a bulldozer-operator father to working in New York, London, San Francisco, and eventually returning home to Texas, Elaine shares the personal and professional experiences that shaped her leadership philosophy.

In this episode, Elaine reflects on saying yes to opportunity, surviving 11 bank mergers, balancing motherhood with a demanding career, and the importance of relationships in business. She also shares the stories behind her famous Fort Worth rodeo appearances, her “Elaine’s Eight” leadership principles, lessons from working with Jamie Dimon, and why authenticity and resilience matter more than ever.

Casual, funny, and deeply insightful, this conversation is packed with wisdom on leadership, family, wealth, mentorship, and building a life that lasts.

In This Episode

[01:38] Introducing Elaine Agather

[02:20] Riding in the Fort Worth Rodeo for 37 Years

[03:20] The Story Behind Elaine’s Famous Rodeo Outfits

[05:06] 47 Years in Banking and the Foundation of Success

[06:40] Growing Up in Sherman, Texas and Moving to New York

[08:00] Mary Tyler Moore, Big Cities, and Early Ambition

[10:40] Studying History and Economics at OU

[11:10] The History of JPMorgan Chase and Aaron Burr

[13:00] Why Elaine Chose the University of Oklahoma

[15:40] Landing a Job at Chemical Bank in New York

[17:50] The Importance of Relationships and Networking

[18:00] Elaine’s Eight and “Saddle Your Own Horse”

[22:20] “Get Over It” and Surviving Major Bank Mergers

[25:00] Lessons from Family Life and Raising Children While Building a Career

[31:30] Returning to Texas and Leading the Fort Worth Bank

[36:10] Transitioning into Private Banking and Wealth Management

[39:00] Leadership, Problem Solving, and Serving Clients

[41:45] Managing Wealth, Family Communication, and Estate Planning

[45:20] Working with Jamie Dimon and Leadership at JPMorgan Chase

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Dale Petroskey has lived one of the most fascinating careers imaginable—from the Reagan White House to the Baseball Hall of Fame, National Geographic, the Texas Rangers, and the Dallas Regional Chamber. In this episode, Dale shares the leadership lessons, relationships, and defining moments that shaped his journey. He reflects on growing up in a close-knit family of nine children, working alongside President Reagan during pivotal Cold War moments, building trust through authentic relationships, and why “work hard and be nice” became the guiding principle of his career. The conversation also dives into media, politics, baseball, and the importance of living an interesting and meaningful life.

In This Episode

[02:30] Why Relationships and Communication Matter Most

[07:00] Growing Up One of Nine Children & Early Leadership Lessons

[10:40] From Journalism Student to Washington Politics

[14:40] “Work Hard and Be Nice” — The Philosophy That Guided His Career

[24:50] Inside the Reagan White House & Camp David with the Reagans

[33:45] Reagan as “The Great Communicator” & The Evolution of Media

[40:30] Reagan, Gorbachev, and the End of the Cold War

[47:45] Leading the Baseball Hall of Fame & Preserving Baseball History

[58:00] Final Reflections on Leadership, Legacy, and Living an Interesting Life

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Todd Wagner joins Intersections for an in-depth conversation covering faith, doubt, church leadership, apologetics, and the rise of Watermark Community Church. Todd reflects on growing up in a nominally religious home in St. Louis, struggling with isolation and identity as a teenager, and eventually encountering authentic Christianity through Young Life relationships that changed the trajectory of his life.

Throughout the episode, Todd explains why he believes many people misunderstand Christianity as a system of rules instead of a relationship with God rooted in grace. He discusses the historical reliability of Scripture, the intellectual foundations of his faith, and the role apologetics played in strengthening his confidence in Christianity.

The conversation also dives into the founding of Watermark Church in Dallas. Todd shares how the church grew from a handful of people to a congregation of thousands. Todd shares about burnout, succession planning, criticism surrounding megachurch culture, and the events that ultimately led to him stepping away from leading Watermark after more than two decades.

In This Episode

[00:02:30] Growing Up Without Faith

[00:07:00] Rules vs. Relationship

[00:10:30] The Nature of God and Scripture

[00:17:45] Isolation, Rejection, and Identity

[00:21:00] Young Life and Discovering Faith

[00:25:00] Apologetics and Intellectual Faith

[00:36:30] From Pre-Law Student to Pastor

[00:52:00] Building Watermark Church

[01:08:00] Megachurch Challenges and Public Criticism

[01:20:00] Why Todd Left Watermark

[01:28:00] Faith, Family, and Legacy

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In Part 2 of this conversation, former U.S. Ambassador to Saudi Arabia Robert Jordan shares a firsthand account of stepping into one of the most complex diplomatic roles in modern history—just as the world changed on September 11th.

Jordan reflects on navigating U.S.–Saudi relations amid suspicion, fear, and global uncertainty, while working closely with President George W. Bush, senior U.S. officials, and Saudi leadership. From early skepticism within the Saudi royal family to high-stakes negotiations at Crawford, this episode offers a rare, behind-the-scenes look at diplomacy during crisis—and the leadership required to stabilize one of America’s most critical international relationships.

In This Episode

[00:01:27] Meet Amb. Robert Jordan: A Diplomatic Assignment Like No Other

[00:03:00] Early Life & Global Perspective: The Roots of a Diplomat

[00:08:00] Leadership Lessons: Understanding Culture Before Policy

[00:12:00] Relationship with George W. Bush: Trust Built Over Time

[00:18:00] The Unexpected Call: Becoming Ambassador to Saudi Arabia

[00:24:00] 9/11: Shock, Responsibility, and a Changed Mission[

00:29:25] First Days in Saudi Arabia: Tension, Uncertainty, and Reality

[00:33:00] Denial and Truth: Saudi Leadership’s Initial Response

[00:42:00] Bridging Intelligence Gaps: CIA, FBI, and Coordination Challenges

[00:47:00] The Crawford Meeting: Diplomacy Under Pressure

[00:54:30] Preparing for War: U.S.–Saudi Relations and Iraq

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This episode features a timely conversation with Ambassador Robert Jordan, former U.S. Ambassador to Saudi Arabia. Drawing on firsthand experience, he unpacks the evolving geopolitical landscape of the Middle East—focusing on the growing influence of China and Russia, shifting alliances, and the erosion of U.S. dominance.

The discussion dives into the current conflict involving Iran, the strategic importance of the Strait of Hormuz, and the risks of escalation. Ambassador Jordan offers insight into Saudi Arabia’s internal transformation under Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman, including economic diversification efforts and social reforms.

From the legacy of Jamal Khashoggi to Vision 2030, energy security, and the possibility of nuclear proliferation, this episode covers the critical forces shaping the region—and what they mean for the U.S. and global stability.

In This Episode

[03:00] How the Middle East Has Changed & Declining U.S. Influence

[07:00] U.S. Foreign Policy Missteps and Trust Erosion

[11:00] Saudi Arabia’s Global Role & Energy Dependence

[13:40] Jamal Khashoggi & U.S.-Saudi Relations

[20:00] Mohammed bin Salman: Reform, Power, and Human Rights

[26:30] Vision 2030, Economic Shifts, and Saudi Challenges

[31:00] Saudi Investments: NEOM, LIV Golf, and Global Strategy

[36:00] U.S.-Saudi Relations & Abraham Accords Today

[37:30] Iran Conflict: Saudi Perspective & Regional Stakes

[41:00] Military Strategy, Escalation Risks, and Global Impact

[47:00] Off-Ramps, Diplomacy, and What Happens Next

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David Miller shares the story behind his journey from a college basketball player at SMU to a pioneering force in private equity within the oil and gas industry. He reflects on the importance of resilience, especially after a career-threatening injury, and how that mindset carried into entrepreneurship. Miller dives into the founding of Mays Exploration, the lessons learned from its challenges, and how those experiences laid the groundwork for Endcap. Beyond business, he offers insight into leadership, teamwork, and philanthropy—particularly his deep involvement with SMU and its transformation into a top-tier academic institution. The conversation blends personal storytelling with practical wisdom on risk-taking, partnerships, and long-term vision.

In This Episode

• [02:00] Choosing the Right Partners in Business
• [03:00] Early Career at Republic National Bank
• [04:00] Taking the Leap into Entrepreneurship
• [06:00] Basketball Dreams & SMU Scholarship Journey
• [10:00] Recruiting Comeback & Commitment to SMU
• [18:00] Founding Mays Exploration
• [22:00] Oil Boom, Bust, and Business Pivoting
• [27:00] Lessons from Failure & Risk-Taking
• [33:00] Transitioning to Encap & Private Equity
• [40:00] Raising Capital & Building Credibility
• [46:00] SMU Leadership & Institutional Growth
• [50:00] Vision for SMU’s Future
• [55:00] Higher Education Challenges & ROI Debate
• [59:00] SMU’s Move to the ACC & Strategic Vision

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Blake Walker, Founder & CEO of Arcis Golf, shares how he built one of the largest and most innovative golf course portfolios in the country. Broadcasting from Augusta during the Augusta National Women’s Amateur, the conversation explores how golf is evolving beyond the course into a full lifestyle experience.

Blake breaks down Arcis’ “four pillars” strategy—combining golf, hospitality, wellness, and programming—to attract a younger, more diverse audience. He also dives into his journey from finance to operator, lessons from failure during the financial crisis, and the importance of culture, humility, and hiring the right people.

From subscription-based golf models to social media’s impact on the game, this episode is a masterclass in rethinking a legacy industry for the modern consumer.

In This Episode

[01:03] Meet Blake Walker – Founder of Arcis Golf and industry leader

[02:00] Augusta National Women’s Amateur – Growing the game through women’s golf

[03:22] The Arcis Golf Vision – Building a national, multi-tiered golf portfolio

[06:05] A Lifestyle Company – Beyond golf: hospitality, family, and experience

[08:44] The Four Pillars Strategy – Culinary, programming, lifestyle, wellness

[09:52] Expanding the Experience – Cowboys Golf Club & Greyhawk innovations

[12:09] Hiring & Culture – Why people are everything

[13:50] Arcis Axioms – Humility, gratitude, and values-driven leadership

[18:08] Early Career Journey – KSL Capital, ClubCorp, and mentorship

[22:26] First Startup & Financial Crisis – Lessons from failure

[26:00] Taking the Leap – Leaving stability to build Arcis Golf

[32:22] Subscription Model Explained – Creating sticky customer relationships

[37:17] Social Media & Golf – YouTube creators reshaping the game

[39:00] The Future of Golf Courses – Short courses, gamification, accessibility

[43:10] Revenue Mix Evolution – Wellness, F&B, and experience-driven growth

[47:16] Scaling the Business – Bigger bets, fewer deals

[49:00] Developing Future Leaders – The Ascend program

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Rob Holmes, Chairman, President, and CEO of Texas Capital, joins Intersections to talk about one of the most dramatic turnarounds in regional banking. After a 31-year career at JPMorgan Chase, Rob came back to Texas to lead a bank he says was in worse shape than he originally realized. He shares how cancer, COVID, and a major career pivot changed his perspective on leadership, candor, accountability, and purpose. The conversation also explores how he rebuilt Texas Capital’s culture, replaced much of the organization, reworked its business model, and positioned the bank to compete as a full-service financial services firm headquartered in Texas.

In This Episode

[02:26] Why Rob Holmes Came Home to Texas Capital

[03:18] Cancer, Perspective, and a Changed Life

[10:54] Faith, Mortality, and Leadership After Cancer

[14:32] Candor, Accountability, and Leading Through Conflict

[21:41] Discovering How Bad the Bank Really Was

[27:10] Restoring Credibility and Rebuilding Culture

[38:43] Moving the Bank to the Cloud and Building for AI

[46:36] Selling Legacy Businesses and Recapitalizing the Bank

[58:07] Private Credit, Risk, and Market Concerns

[01:07:19] Why Texas and North Texas Are Winning

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Mark Cuban reflects on his path from early entrepreneurial experiments to building and selling multiple companies, including Broadcast.com. He shares lessons on recognizing opportunity during industry change, managing risk, and staying disciplined through uncertainty.

Cuban also discusses what it took to reshape the Dallas Mavericks into a championship organization, emphasizing culture, accountability, and leadership. Cuban approached ownership differently, which led to the decisions that shaped the 2011 championship run. He reflects on difficult moments like letting Steve Nash walk and how those decisions ultimately influenced Dirk Nowitzki’s leadership growth. The discussion also touches on more recent dynamics around team building, including the complexities of modern player movement and expectations surrounding stars like Luka Dončić, as well as Cuban’s role following the sale of a majority stake in the franchise. Together, it paints a clear picture of how ownership decisions, culture, and timing intersect in building—and sustaining—a winning organization.

The episode closes with Cuban’s focus beyond sports, particularly his work with Cost Plus Drugs. He explains how a lack of transparency in pharmaceutical pricing led him to build a model that clearly shows cost, markup, and final price to consumers. He also outlines the structural challenges within healthcare—especially the role of middlemen like pharmacy benefit managers—and why he believes disrupting that system can have a broader impact than anything he accomplished in sports.

In This Episode

[02:00] Indiana, NIL, and Finding Opportunity in Change

[07:40] Early Life & Entrepreneurial Mindset

[12:00] Moving to Dallas, Getting Fired, Starting Over

[20:00] Broadcast.com, IPO, and the Yahoo Sale

[25:00] Managing Risk & Protecting Wealth

[26:36] Buying the Mavericks & Early Ownership Vision

[35:40] Steve Nash Decision & Building Around Dirk

[40:00] Championship Run, 2006 Loss & 2011 Redemption

[54:58] Selling the Mavericks & Regret Around the Deal

[56:00] Luka Dončić, Star Pressure & Modern NBA Reality

[01:04:00] Cost Plus Drugs & Disrupting Healthcare

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SMU President Jay Hartzell shares his journey from growing up in Oklahoma to leading two major universities—first at the University of Texas and now at SMU. He reflects on the differences between large public institutions and smaller private schools, the complexities of leadership during times of crisis, and the evolving landscape of higher education.

Hartzell offers a behind-the-scenes look at navigating COVID-19, social unrest, and political pressures while leading UT, along with insights into major decisions like conference realignment and the future of college athletics. He also outlines his vision for SMU’s continued rise, emphasizing agility, community support, and the powerful role of Dallas in the university’s success.

In This Episode

[00:01:04] From UT to SMU

[00:05:35] The Opportunity Emerges

[00:08:06] Finding Economics & Academia

[00:11:14] Teaching & Early Career Growth

[00:14:00] Becoming UT President During COVID

[00:19:00] Diversity, Culture & Campus Challenges

[00:25:24] Protests, Free Speech & Leadership Pressure

[00:28:58] SEC Realignment & Big Decisions

[00:33:00] The Future of College Athletics

[00:40:00] NIL, Transfers & Athlete Development

[00:52:00] SMU Strategy & ACC Positioning

[01:05:00] Leadership, Legacy & Looking Ahead

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Rick Welts, CEO of the Dallas Mavericks and a Hall of Fame NBA executive, joins Intersections to discuss the future of the Mavericks and the role the franchise plays in the city of Dallas.Welts shares stories from his 57-year career in professional basketball—from starting as a ball boy for the Seattle SuperSonics to helping shape the modern NBA through innovations like All-Star Weekend and global expansion.

But the focus of this conversation is Dallas. Welts dives into the Mavericks’ path forward after one of the most controversial trades in NBA history, the responsibility franchises have to their communities, and how Dallas can build a championship-caliber organization around rising star Cooper Flagg. He also outlines the vision for a new arena and entertainment district that could redefine downtown Dallas and anchor the franchise for generations.

In This Episode

[01:00] From Seattle Ball Boy to the NBA

[08:30] Entering the NBA League Office

[18:00] Creating NBA All-Star Weekend

[27:00] The Dream Team and Basketball’s Global Growth

[35:00] Leading the Phoenix Suns

[40:00] Rebuilding the Golden State Warriors

[45:00] Designing Chase Center

[50:00] The Luka Dončić Trade Fallout

[57:00] The Cooper Flagg Era Begins

[1:05:00] The Next Mavericks Arena

[1:12:00] The NBA’s Global Future

[1:18:30] Leadership and Legacy

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Craig Hall had built an empire by 35 — 70,000 apartment units, billions in assets, and national recognition as one of the largest private real estate sponsors in the country. Then it unraveled.

In this candid conversation, Craig walks through the early hustle that started with $4,000 saved as a kid, the bold bets that built his fortune, the savings and loan crisis that nearly wiped him out, and the moment the federal government sued him and seized his assets. But this episode isn’t just about wealth and loss. It’s about responsibility. Craig shares why he liquidated $175 million of his personal assets to make investors whole, why he refused to settle a lawsuit for anything other than zero, and how ethics shaped his second act. From Hall Park in Frisco to Hall Arts in downtown Dallas, from building one of Napa’s premier wine brands to financing major developments nationwide, Craig reflects on risk, reinvention, and what success really means.

It’s a masterclass in entrepreneurship — and in character.

In This Episode

[02:00] Early Hustle & Entrepreneurial Roots

[08:30] Learning Through Failure

[17:00] Raising Capital at 19

[24:00] The $10 Million Leap

[27:00] Turning $111,000 into $66 Million

[30:00] Moving to Dallas

[33:00] The 1980s Real Estate Collapse

[39:00] Sued by the Federal Government

[45:00] Making Investors Whole

[57:00] Reinvention: Hall Park & Hall Arts

[1:16:00] Building Hall Wines

[1:22:00] The State of Entrepreneurship

[1:27:00] Philanthropy & Eastern Europe

[1:34:00] Advice to His 20-Year-Old Self

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Lucy Billingsley, co-founder of Billingsley Company, shares how she stepped out from under a legendary last name to build her own path in real estate. From launching a travel business to developing landmark master-planned communities like Austin Ranch and Cypress Waters, Lucy explains why fear can be fuel, integrity is non-negotiable, and long-term ownership wins.She also tackles big-picture questions about downtown Dallas, office uncertainty, housing affordability, infrastructure challenges, and what it takes to create communities that last. At the heart of it all? Leadership, reinvention, and building a platform for the next generation.

In This Episode

[05:00] Integrity, Fear & Early Career Lessons

[10:00] Market Center & Entrepreneurial Leap[

15:30] Building Billingsley Company

[20:00] Master-Planned Strategy: Austin Ranch & Cypress Waters

[26:00] “Apartments Without the Complex”

[30:00] One Arts Plaza & Downtown Dallas

[34:00] The Future of Downtown & the Arts District

[39:00] Regional Growth & Infrastructure Risks

[44:00] Housing Affordability & Office Headwinds

[48:00] Reinvention: Single-Family & Built-to-Rent

[55:00] Leadership, Legacy & Investing in Women

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Entrepreneur and former honey mogul Nate Sheets—best known for founding Nature Nate’s, the #1 honey brand in America—joins the show as he runs for Texas Agriculture Commissioner. From humble beginnings with a single beehive to full-time ministry to launching the “I Am Second” campaign, Nate shares how faith, food, and service intersect in his journey. He gets real about the collapse of mid-sized farms, America’s growing reliance on foreign food, the obesity epidemic, and why your grocery bill is getting bigger. Whether it’s school lunches or seed monopolies, Nate lays out a hopeful but urgent call to rethink how we feed our families and support our farmers.

In This Episode

[01:30] Meet Nate Sheets: Entrepreneur, Honey Guy, Ag Candidate

[02:30] Why Ag Policy Should Matter to City Folks

[03:50] Food, Health, and the Generational Impact of Cheap Calories

[05:30] The Birth of Nature Nate’s and the Beekeeping Origin Story

[11:00] Creating “I Am Second” & Faith-Driven Marketing

[18:00] From Honey to Politics: What Made Him Run for Ag Commissioner

[21:00] What’s Broken in Texas Agriculture—and How He’d Fix It

[28:00] Price Gaps, Margin Stacking & Losing Family Farms

[36:00] Rebuilding Infrastructure: Meat Processing, Seed Access & Cotton Gins

[38:00] Four Ps: People, Process, Profit, Product

[41:00] Fixing School Lunches & Child Nutrition

[44:00] The Labor Paradox: Immigration and Ag Jobs

[50:00] Tech, Bots, and the Future of Ag Labor

[59:00] Fighting the Sugar Industry & Learning from Europe

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In this episode, Tom and Kyle sit down with Jim Keyes — former CEO of both 7-Eleven and Blockbuster — for a wide-ranging conversation that spans humble beginnings, corporate leadership, and his deep-rooted passion for education. Jim shares stories from his rural Massachusetts childhood, reflects on lessons from McDonald’s that shaped his business acumen, and unpacks why he believes "education is freedom." The episode explores his dramatic tenure at Blockbuster, the strategic near-misses with Google and Paramount, and why he's committed to revolutionizing public education with a tech-forward approach.

In This Episode

[00:02:22] From Poverty to Possibility
[00:05:18] Disruption as Opportunity
[00:08:47] Education is Freedom
[00:12:52] Lessons from the Golden Arches
[00:15:46] Sibling Perspectives & Luck vs. Grit
[00:19:00] Knowledge + Faith = Fearlessness
[00:26:07] From Sitgo to 7-Eleven
[00:35:38] The Japanese Influence
[00:40:04] Clean Stores = Community Pride
[00:47:13] From 7-Eleven to Blockbuster
[00:53:00] The Netflix Myth
[01:10:35] Fixing Public Education: The Next Moonshot

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Bill and Liz Armstrong are the definition of true wildcatters—oil explorers who bet big and drill deep. From meeting in a geology class at SMU to navigating oil booms, busts, and blowouts, their journey is one of guts, grit, and a whole lot of geology. In this episode, they unpack wild stories from Alaska’s North Slope, how a gas well made front-page news, and why they’ve never taken on debt in their business. It’s about risk, resilience, and the romance of chasing something big—with plenty of laughs along the way.

In This Episode

[00:01:00] SMU Sparks: How Bill and Liz met and bonded over geology.

[00:05:00] Oil Mentors: Caddying for Boone Pickens and early influences.

[00:10:00] Field Camp Flames: From classmates to couple.

[00:13:00] Bankruptcy Lessons: Liz’s family story and debt-free mindset.

[00:15:00] Startup Grind: Launching Armstrong Oil from scratch.

[00:23:00] All In: A near-foreclosure and a bold pitch.

[00:26:00] Boom & Blowout: Big risks and a gas fire in California.

[00:31:00] Alaska Gold: Finding a 3-billion-barrel oil field.

[00:43:00] Staying Independent: Why they said no to buyouts.

[01:03:00] Legacy & Values: Family, faith, and what really matters.

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Chuck Anderson went from small-town Nebraska to becoming one of the most respected names in Dallas real estate. In this wide-ranging episode, Chuck shares his path from college basketball to building Bandera Ventures, his time at Trammell Crow, and the spiritual transformation that redefined his life. From early career wins to painful losses, Chuck offers candid insights on partnership, leadership, and what it means to live with purpose. If you’re into real estate, entrepreneurship, or just love a good redemption story—this one’s for you.

In This Episode

[02:00] SMU culture shock & NIL before NIL was a thing
[04:00] Growing up with an alcoholic father and how it shaped Chuck’s life
[07:00] Basketball scholarships and the path to real estate
[09:00] Early career moves: investment banking and entry into real estate
[12:00] Trammell Crow years: lessons, deals, and leadership evolution
[18:00] Going public & the 1998 cancer diagnosis that changed everything
[21:00] Chuck’s spiritual awakening and boldness in faith
[25:00] Leaving Crow to launch Bandera Ventures
[28:00] Partnership rules and why they work
[32:00] Ross Tower, M&M Mars deal, and a $120/SF flip
[35:00] The Preston Center playbook and why it's booming
[39:00] State of downtown Dallas real estate—honest take
[46:00] Bad deals and the infamous $83K golf shirt
[50:00] Advice to young professionals entering the field today
[53:00] How work ethic, faith, and relationships define legacy

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Former Dallas Cowboys fullback and current NFL Broadcaster Daryl “Moose” Johnston joins the show to talk grit, leadership, and the journey from small-town roots to NFL glory. From being overlooked to redefining the fullback position, Moose shares how preparation, work ethic, and accountability shaped his life. He dives into lessons from Jimmy Johnson, the early days with Emmitt and Troy, and how a college snub set fire to his competitive spirit. Oh—and find out where the nickname “Moose” really came from.In This Episode[05:10] Small Town, Big Dreams[11:30] Proving Them Wrong[18:50] Lessons in Discipline[24:30] A Coach Changes Everything[29:45] Draft Day Curveball[36:00] Jimmy Johnson’s Turning Point[43:20] Building a Dynasty[52:00] Redefining the Fullback[01:04:00] Legacy and Leadership[01:24:00] Reflections on Football and Life

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Former U.S. Secretary of Education Margaret Spellings joins Kyle and Tom for a deep dive into the state of American education—past, present, and future. From her early days in Texas politics to shaping national education policy under President George W. Bush, Spellings reflects on landmark legislation like No Child Left Behind, the power of bipartisanship, and the current crisis in K–12 learning. The conversation ranges from career highlights and political stories to bold ideas for accountability, school choice, and the future of higher education.

In This Episode

[03:00] Why education is the beating heart of state government

[06:00] George W. Bush, Texas politics, and an unlikely gubernatorial win

[12:30] Crafting No Child Left Behind—and surviving 9/11 while doing it

[20:15] What worked, what didn’t, and why testing got personal

[25:00] The accountability unwind and COVID's lingering impact

[30:00] The truth about teachers' unions and school vouchers

[36:00] Can school choice work if capacity doesn’t exist?

[39:00] The role of higher education & why some programs are cash cows

[45:00] Is college still worth it? And the growing backlash over student debt

[50:00] The cultural tug-of-war over curriculum and who controls it

[54:00] A generational education crisis—and what it means for the U.S.

[58:00] Leadership, legacy, and what’s next for Margaret Spellings

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Randall Wallace—writer of Braveheart, We Were Soldiers, and Secretariat—joins Tom and Kyle for a moving conversation about storytelling, faith, resilience, and the pursuit of truth. From growing up in the South to studying religion and Russian literature, to making one of Hollywood’s most iconic films, Wallace traces the through-line of love, sacrifice, and transformation. He shares how faith carried him through financial ruin, how a prayer became the genesis of Braveheart, and why his next project on the Resurrection might be the boldest one yet.

In This Episode

[00:01:00] Home Roots & Hollywood Dreams

[00:06:00] Sales, Setbacks, and Seminars

[00:09:00] The Leap to Nashville & Opryland

[00:17:00] A Screenwriter is Born

[00:26:00] The Braveheart Origin Story

[00:38:00] Mel Gibson & Making the Movie

[00:52:00] We Were Soldiers

[01:08:00] Faith, Sacrifice, and the Resurrection

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Dr. Geoffrey Ling is a neurologist, neurosurgeon, anesthesiologist, military veteran, entrepreneur, and all-around force of nature. In this deep-dive conversation, he takes us through his journey from Johns Hopkins to the battlefield, to DARPA and beyond—leading the charge in trauma medicine, brain health innovation, and prosthetics that literally read your mind. He reflects on his time with the Gray Team, building brain-controlled arms, and co-leading the BrainHealth Project—casting a bold vision for how America can lead in neuroscience, AI, and leadership if we bet big on bold ideas.

In This Episode

[02:00] Military Brilliance: Johns Hopkins, DARPA, and battlefield innovation

[04:30] Developing brain tech to save soldiers' lives

[07:45] DARPA: What it is, why it matters, and what it launched

[13:00] JFK, Eisenhower, and the moon mission mindset

[19:40] How IEDs and brain trauma changed combat medicine

[25:00] Measuring the invisible injury of blast waves

[30:00] Making Brain-Controlled Prosthetics Real: From sci-fi to 60 Minutes

[37:45] Jan’s Story: Flying a fighter jet with your brain

[42:30] Brain-Machine Interfaces: Where AI meets human potential

[48:00] Why the U.S. Can Win in AI

[52:00] Brain Health Revolution: Dementia prevention.

[58:00] The BrainHealth Project: Metrics for brain health and cognitive fitness

[01:04:00] Closing the Gap: from lifespan to healthspan

[01:10:00] Optimism for America: Unleashing our best minds

Resources Mentioned

Center for BrainHealth at UT Dallas – https://centerforbrainhealth.org

BrainHealth Project – https://centerforbrainhealth.org/science/participate-in-a-study/brainhealth-project

DARPA (Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency) – https://www.darpa.mil/

60 Minutes segments featuring Dr. Geoff Ling - https://youtu.be/t6WctpD3rkk?si=uynrPdAaKnTIuLGO

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Ray Washburne—entrepreneur, real estate mogul, restauranteur, and former head of OPIC—joins the show for a wide-ranging conversation on the future of Dallas, the economics of restaurants, and how he bought Highland Park Village in the middle of a financial crisis. From starting a newspaper as a kid to expanding global fuel distribution, Ray shares hard-won insights on spotting trends, trusting instincts, and staying ethical in business. Also: why Texas Roadhouse is crushing it, what Cracker Barrel got wrong, and how Dallas can shape the next 15 years.

In This Episode

[02:00] Ray’s entrepreneurial spark

[00:07:15] Real Estate Foundations & Austin Industries

[00:09:30] The Origin of Mi Cocina & M Crowd

[00:13:40] Red Lobster, Shrimp Deals & Restaurant Economics

[00:17:50] The Shrinking Middle Class & AI Displacement

[00:20:10] When Charlie Munger Dropped By

[00:21:50] Buying Highland Park Village: The Backstory

[00:26:30] The Evolution of Highland Park Village

[00:32:00] Building a Retail Ecosystem

[00:36:20] Sunoco, Strategy & Global Distribution

[00:41:00] The Future of Oil, Gas, and EVs

[00:46:30] Public Service & OPIC Experience

[00:51:00] Ethics, Risk, and Saying “No”

[00:55:30] Why Dallas Has the Edge

[01:00:10] The Next 15 Years for the City[

01:05:00] Final Reflections: Success, Timing & Integrity

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Mayor Mattie Parker joins the show to talk about Fort Worth as one of the fastest-growing cities in the country—and how she’s leading it with both strategy and soul. From working behind the scenes in Texas politics to becoming one of the youngest mayors of a top-10 U.S. city, Mattie shares her journey, the challenges of balancing motherhood with leadership, and what it really takes to keep a city running well. She dives deep into public safety, infrastructure, economic development, and why keeping politics local (and not ideological) is crucial for progress.

In This Episode

[00:00] Intro: Who is Mattie Parker?
[01:17] Balancing motherhood and mayorship
[02:45] Her path from small-town Texas to the state capitol
[06:30] Working through law school and launching a career in politics
[09:34] What motivated her to run for mayor—and why it surprised her
[13:50] Nonpartisan governance in a polarized time
[16:00] Dealing with threats, outrage culture, and public pressure
[17:15] Fort Worth’s growth and how it’s stayed true to itself
[21:20] The benefits of a council-manager government model
[23:30] Fort Worth vs. Dallas—more collaboration than competition
[26:10] Why education is at the heart of Fort Worth’s future
[30:21] What’s working in economic development (and why)
[33:00] Retaining the “small-town feel” in a booming city
[35:00] Regional leadership and balancing city vs. metro priorities
[38:15] Public safety, police accountability, and staffing up
[42:50] Infrastructure priorities and transit innovation
[46:30] Navigating state vs. city governance battles

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Bob Doll, longtime investment manager and current CEO/CIO at Crossmark Global Investments, joins the show for a deep dive into markets, faith, and leadership. With a career spanning Merrill Lynch, BlackRock, Nuveen, and now a faith-based investing firm, Bob shares how he integrates values into portfolio management. He unpacks his quantitative approach to stock picking, reflects on getting “canceled” at BlackRock for his faith, and offers practical wisdom for young professionals looking to align purpose with profession. It’s equal parts investment strategy and professional guidance.

In this Episode

[01:02] From Math Major to Money Manager: How Bob Doll discovered investing as a calling

[05:27] Inside the Mind of a Portfolio Manager: Daily habits, models, and discipline

[16:15] Faith Meets Finance: Bob’s BlackRock exit and journey to Crossmark

[25:00] Aligning Investments with Values: What faith-based investing really means

[32:15] Market Outlook: Bullish with caution — inflation, valuations, and AI’s impact

[44:10] Housing, Debt & Demographics: Long-term challenges facing the U.S. economy

[54:30] Is It Worth It? Bob reflects on career, calling, and legacy

Guest Resources

https://www.crossmarkglobal.com/

Kansas City Chiefs owner Clark Hunt sits down with Tom and Kyle for a wide-ranging conversation about family legacy, sports business strategy, and leadership driven by faith. From his grandfather H.L. Hunt’s oil empire to his father Lamar Hunt’s formation of the AFC and eventually the Super Bowl , Clark shares how visionary thinking runs in the family. He dives deep into building the Chiefs’ modern dynasty—highlighting pivotal moments like hiring Andy Reid, drafting Patrick Mahomes, and navigating the global expansion of the NFL. Plus, personal reflections on parenting, faith, and carrying on the Hunt legacy in Kansas City and beyond.

In This Episode

[00:01:26] Growing Up Hunt: Sports-filled weekends, role models, and legacy

[00:05:00] Family & Faith: Raising sports-loving kids with purpose

[00:06:17] Lessons from Lamar: Servant leadership and fan-first thinking

[00:08:37] Visionary Moves: How a hotel TV game sparked the AFL

[00:13:00] Creating the Super Bowl

[00:17:35] Moving to KC: Why the Texans became the Chiefs

[00:19:14] Birth of the “Kingdom”: Fans and global reach

[00:20:01] Chiefs Dynasty: Hiring Andy Reid and trusting Brett Veach

[00:28:00] Drafting Mahomes: Strategy, risk, and a smoke screen

[00:40:47] Global NFL: Germany, Brazil, and expanding the fanbase

[00:46:00] Monetizing Abroad: Brand growth over ticket sales

[00:47:33] Small Market Advantage: TV money, parity, and a Hunt principle

[00:49:26] Arrowhead’s Future: Renovation vs. replacement

[00:53:00] World Cup 2026: Hosting games and honoring Lamar’s vision

[00:56:00] MLS Growth: Competing with Europe and Messi’s impact

Tom and Kyle sit down with dynamic couple Nirav and Megha Tolia to dive into what it's like to partner in life and leadership. Nirav, serial entrepreneur and CEO of Nextdoor, and Megha, former President and COO of Shondaland, share their personal and professional journeys—from small-town Texas and LA roots to global business impact. The two talk about family values, cultural identity, raising kids, building businesses, and why they’ve planted roots in Dallas. It's a masterclass in navigating ambition, marriage, and meaningful impact. And stick around to hear their passion for equipping the next generation of entrepreneurs.

In This Episode

• [01:00] Odessa, Texas and early cultural experiences
• [03:30] Nirav’s pivot from medicine to entrepreneurship
• [05:30] Megha’s family story, growing up bicultural in LA
• [08:45] Philanthropy: Ashram education in Gujarat
• [11:00] Parenting philosophies: Work ethic, gratitude, exposure
• [13:30] How Nirav & Megha met—family setups and instant connection
• [17:00] Megha’s rise through brand management to Shondaland
• [21:00] Nirav’s entrepreneurial journey: Yahoo, Epinions, Nextdoor
• [27:30] What makes Nextdoor different
• [32:00] Fanbase failure & learning to pivot
• [36:00] Sabbatical in Florence, pandemic pivots, and the Dallas move
• [42:30] Getting involved at SMU and the Spears Institute
• [48:00] Their shared belief in creating access through community
• [51:00] Final thoughts on ambition, identity, and intentional living

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In this episode, Kyle and Tom dive deep into the generational divide over capitalism, the changing nature of work, and what younger Americans misunderstand about economic systems. From rising distrust in corporate America to the evolution of the creator economy, they unpack how shifts in education, wages, and political narratives are shaping economic opinions today. They also discuss the rise of socialism in political platforms—especially in New York—and how it may impact the future of leadership and innovation in America.

In This Episode

• [00:00] Generational Views on Capitalism

• [02:45] What Happened to Middle-Class Growth?

• [05:50] The Rise of the Creator Economy

• [07:40] Loyalty, Jobs & the New Workforce

• [09:50] NYC’s Socialist Shift

• [12:00] Defining Reality vs. Wishing It

• [14:00] Capitalism, Risk & Innovation

• [17:45] Freedom vs. Government Control

• [19:40] Coast vs. Heartland Politics

Kyle and Tom sit down for a one-on-one to unpack the generational shifts in how we view education, engage in public discourse, and access information. From their first concerts (The Beatles vs. late 90s pop) to debates about cancel culture and campus free speech, they explore how younger generations are being shaped by digital consumption, ideological echo chambers, and a declining interest in history. They also get personal about their own information habits, higher ed's ideological leanings, and what we lose when we stop listening to the other side.

In This Episode

[00:00] Generational Differences in Music & Culture

[03:45] Higher Ed: From Learning to Ideology?

[11:30] Cancel Culture & the Corporate Spillover

[17:15] What Happened to History?

[24:00] Media, Memes, and Misinformation[

30:15] Hot Takes vs. Deep Thinking

Jody Thornton, Executive Chairman of Capital Markets, Americas at JLL, joins the show to unpack his decades-long journey in commercial real estate—from starting out as an accountant to helping lead the growth and IPO of HFF, and its eventual merger with JLL. Jody shares invaluable lessons on work ethic, client-first culture, mentorship, the evolution of capital markets, and why faith and relationships remain at the core of his leadership.

This episode is packed with insights for anyone looking to understand how real estate has shifted over the years and what it takes to build a career that lasts.

In This Episode

[01:52] From Accounting to Real EstateHow a background in finance and a push from his dad got Jody started—and why he left accounting to “do the deals.”

[05:37] Entering Real Estate at the Worst Possible TimeJody’s transition from Pete Marwick to HFF, the evolution of capital markets, and how representing the client—not the lender—was a radical idea back then.

[10:12] Why Institutional Capital Changed the GameA look at how the rise of pensions and family offices has permanently reshaped real estate.

[12:03] Culture Over TechnicalsWhat Jody looks for in hires, why HFF emphasized culture and ethics, and why “blue collar mindset” still matters in white collar roles.

[15:56] The Rise of Industrial Real EstateHow Jody helped build out JLL’s industrial platform and why manufacturing is coming back strong.

[18:54] Learning from the '80s and 2008The dangers of overleverage, personal recourse, and how institutional equity brought shock absorbers to the industry.

[24:25] What’s Next for Office?Office is slowly rebounding—but not without challenges. Jody shares thoughts on re-pricing, conversions, and generational preferences.

[27:27] Markets to WatchWhy San Francisco, Chicago, and the Carolinas are catching tailwinds again.

[28:55] Why HFF Merged with JLLThe culture fit, client expectations, and how full-service platforms win complex deals.

[34:00] Deals, Mentors & RelationshipsFrom Southlake Town Square to The Village in Dallas, Jody reflects on deals and peers who shaped his career.

[38:06] Walking the Talk on FaithHow his faith informs leadership, ethics, and culture at JLL.

[40:39] Work-Life Balance & FamilyBoundaries, coaching kids’ sports, and how he made time for both career and home.

[42:05] Real Estate & Tech – Frenemies or Friends?Why information flow and data matter more than ever—and how JLL's tech gives them an edge.

[47:17] Motivation, People, and the Long ViewWhat keeps him going (people), what keeps him up (people), and what he’d tell his younger self: work ethic is everything.

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Pete McCanna, CEO of Baylor Scott & White Health, joins Tom and Kyle for a wide-ranging, deeply personal conversation about transforming healthcare. From starting out in finance to leading one of the nation’s largest health systems, Pete walks us through his career, the system’s biggest flaws, and how Baylor is flipping the script—focusing on customer-centric care, embracing AI, and challenging the status quo. With stories from his own family’s healthcare experiences, Pete explains why the future of healthcare hinges on better access, smarter tech, and rethinking what care really means.

In This Episode

[00:00] Introduction & Why Healthcare Is “a Mess”

Pete McCanna shares his personal and professional reasons for transforming healthcare.

[03:30] A Personal Journey to Purpose-Driven Leadership

How family health struggles shaped Pete's mission and how his career evolved from finance to operations.

[11:30] Rethinking Healthcare: From Assets to Access

A shift in mindset: moving from hospital-focused strategy to customer-focused care, inspired by personal experience and systemic inefficiencies.

[19:00] Tech, AI & the Modern Healthcare Experience

Exploring how Baylor is using technology, apps, and AI to make healthcare frictionless and more personalized.

[24:00] Challenges of Reform: Payment Models & Policy Friction

The disconnect between prevention and payment, the burden of outdated systems, and how Baylor is pushing forward despite systemic headwinds.

[34:00] Empowering Physicians & Employees to Transform Care

How Baylor is restoring meaning in medicine, energizing staff, and innovating with new delivery models and partnerships.

[43:00] National & Global Context: What Needs to Change

A comparison to international systems, the impact of lack of access, and ideas for smarter U.S. healthcare reform.

[51:00] Baylor’s Vision for the Future

Pete outlines Baylor’s next chapter: deeper integration of digital care, smarter navigation, and building a true health partner for life.

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https://www.bswhealth.com/

Rob Walters is a lawyer’s lawyer—an antitrust expert, constitutional scholar, and courtroom veteran with a long record of public and private sector impact. In this episode, Rob shares insights from landmark cases (like AT&T-Time Warner and LIV Golf), breaks down today’s antitrust landscape, and explains the legal tension between the executive and judicial branches. With experience ranging from federal litigation to Dallas civic leadership, Rob offers a unique perspective on the shifting balance of power in American government and why legal norms matter more than we might think.

In This Episode:

[00:02:05] Why Law? Rob reflects on his journey into law—how growing up abroad and witnessing global politics shaped his passion for justice and intellectual rigor.

[00:08:34] Antitrust 101 & the Chicago School Legacy A breakdown of how antitrust evolved, where it’s headed, and why current approaches may be dangerously muddled.

[00:11:53] Big Tech & the Power Question Do Meta and Google have too much influence? Rob offers a nuanced view of dominance, innovation, and where antitrust fits in.

[00:19:00] AT&T vs. DOJ: Behind the Scenes The high-stakes courtroom drama of the AT&T-Time Warner merger and how the team—including CEOs Randall Stephenson and John Stankey—went toe-to-toe with the DOJ.

[00:25:00] LIV Golf & Saudi Investment How Rob approaches controversial clients like LIV Golf, the impact on global sport, and the importance of legal representation—even when geopolitics get messy.

[00:30:23] Chevron Doctrine & Supreme Court Shifts Why the Chevron case matters, how the Court is reshaping agency power, and the return of judicial interpretation over executive deference.

[00:36:00] Is the Judiciary Still Independent? A look at how the courts act as a check on power, the politicization of judges, and the enduring role of judicial neutrality.

[00:42:00] Executive Orders and Separation of Powers Rob weighs in on Presidential use of E.O.s and the critical balance between the branches of government.

[00:55:00] Government Overreach? From universities to private enterprise and law firms—where does legal oversight end and overreach begin?

In this episode, we sit down with Clay Cooley—a Dallas-born entrepreneur and automotive powerhouse who went from sacking groceries to owning 22 car dealerships and employing thousands. Known for his “Shop Me First, Shop Me Last, Either Way Come See Clay” slogan, Clay unpacks his journey of hustle, hard knocks, reinvention, and relentless growth. We talk entrepreneurship, failure, family business, the effects of COVID on the used car marker, the impact of EVs, and how the car business has evolved (and stayed the same). If you’ve ever seen a Clay Cooley ad, this episode will give you insight into the brain—and heart—behind the brand.

In This Episode:

[01:05] The Clay Cooley Tagline – The origin of the iconic “Come See Clay” slogan

[02:00] From Groceries to GMC – How Clay got his start in the car business

[04:50] Lubbock Lessons – Growing up, working young, and the value of early hardship

[07:07] Starting His First Lot – The leap into entrepreneurship, repos, and maxed-out credit cards

[13:00] Scaling Up – Moving from hustling solo to acquiring multiple franchises

[17:00] Learning From Failure – Why missteps are key to long-term success[19:00] Leadership & Culture – Dress codes, internal training, and hiring from within

[23:00] The Family Guarantee – Clay’s return-any-car policy and its impact on business

[27:00] Why Texas Wins – Why dealerships thrive more in the Sunbelt vs. other states

[28:00] Revenue Breakdown – Where the real money is in a dealership

[31:00] New vs. Used – Why COVID upended the used car market and what comes next

[36:00] Ad Strategy – From newspaper liners to family-made TV commercials

[39:40] Passing the Torch – How his kids are modernizing operations and leading with tech

[40:00] AI in Auto Sales – Where automation is improving the dealership experience

[44:00] Planning for Perpetuity – Slimming corporate, scaling smart, and future-proofing

[46:00] Private Equity & Price Inflation – Why rollups are changing dealership dynamics

[48:00] The Local Advantage – Why being community-rooted still matters

[50:00] Will Dealerships Die? – Clay’s take on EVs, Tesla, and the franchise future

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https://www.claycooley.com/

Cynt Marshall, the first Black Female CEO in the NBA and former AT&T executive, shares her incredible journey from growing up in public housing to leading major organizations with a philosophy grounded in joy, integrity, and people-first leadership. She opens up about her early lessons, personal losses, and how she transformed a workplace in crisis into a national model of inclusion and culture. We also discuss Mark Cuban, the Mavs' new ownership, the Luka trade, and the future of the Mavericks. Cynt’s take on leadership, her perspective on the Mavs, and her unwavering optimism make this one of our most interesting conversations yet.

In This Episode

• [01:38] The Origins of “Cynt the Sprint”

• [02:50] The Three L's of Leadership: Listen, Learn, Love

• [04:30] Killing the Light and Changing the Culture

• [07:30] Joy vs. Happiness: A Philosophy of Resilience

• [09:54] Breaking Barriers at UC Berkeley

• [13:30] Grace at Delta Gamma: A Lesson in Belonging

• [15:30] Corporate Growth at AT&T & Navigating Bias

• [20:00] The Call from Mark Cuban

• [34:00] The Mavericks Culture Crisis

• [38:00] Introducing CRAFTS: A New Leadership Framework

• [42:00] Fan-Centric Thinking & Building Mavs TV

• [48:30] From Customer Service to Coaching Staff

• [52:00] The Role of Faith in Corporate Culture

• [55:20] Mentoring the Next Generation of Leaders

• [59:10] Why Diversity Isn’t Enough—Inclusion Matters

• [01:03:00] What Legacy Really Means

• [01:07:00] Getting Real About Work-Life Balance

• [01:12:00] “You’ve Been Chosen”: The Message Behind the Memoir

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Fred Perpall is not just the CEO of The Beck Group and the President of the USGA—he’s a powerhouse of purpose, grit, and vision. From humble beginnings in The Bahamas to becoming a national leader in architecture and golf, Fred shares the pivotal moments that shaped his career, his leadership philosophy, and why golf is more than just a game. This episode explores how he built a meaningful life by refusing to compartmentalize work, play, and purpose.

In This Episode

[00:00] Meet Fred Perpall: Bahamian roots, basketball dreams, and a journey to leadership

[04:00] Golf’s Unexpected Gift: How a private club and a generous offer changed everything

[08:00] Seeing Opportunity, Not Division: Learning from success instead of resenting it

[12:30] Sports, Self-Esteem, and Showing Up: From athlete to top of his class to CEO

[17:00] On Work Ethic and Confidence: Outworking everyone and staying grounded

[21:30] From Architect to CEO: Curiosity, mentorship, and leading with vision

[26:00] Managing Across Generations: What’s changed and why it’s a good thing

[30:00] Architecture + Construction: Making two worlds work under one roof

[34:00] Tech, AI & Innovation in Construction: How Beck is preparing for the future

[38:00] Golf as a Mirror of Life: Integrity, community, and learning from the game

[42:00] Adaptive Open & Inclusion: Making golf accessible for everyone

[45:00] Golf’s Growth & Equity: Expanding the game without losing its soul

[48:00] Topgolf & New Entrants: Embracing change while keeping the core

[51:00] Golf Ball Rollback: Why USGA is speaking for the future of the game

[53:00] Golf Ball Rollback Debate: Why performance limits matter and protecting tradition

[56:00] Access & Equity in Golf: Fred’s vision for a more inclusive, community-based sport

[58:30] Golf as Cultural Connector: From the barbershop to the country club

[1:01:00] Global Perspective: What the U.S. can learn from how other countries embrace golf

[1:04:30] Leadership and Legacy: Mentorship, servant leadership, and building up others

[1:08:00] USGA’s Long Game: Investing in the future of the game—especially junior and adaptive players

[1:11:30] Final Word: Faith, family, and making your whole life count—not just your title

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Ken Hersh, energy entrepreneur and current CEO of the George W. Bush Presidential Center, shares his unconventional journey from liberal arts major to pioneering a whole new industry in energy private equity. From early business failures and bold pivots to investing with Richard Rainwater and creating Natural Gas Partners, Ken breaks down the highs, lows, and lessons learned. He also dives into public policy, the evolution of America’s energy landscape, and the fine line between good ideas and good investments.

In This Episode

[00:00] Intro: Who is Ken Hersh?

[01:07] Early Days and Business Plan Origins

[02:00] Founding NG Partners in a Pre-Private Equity World

[05:00] Resilience, Background, and the Fastest Tortoise

[07:30] Education, Princeton, and Finding His Own Path

[10:00] Morgan Stanley, Energy Markets, and Breaking In

[13:00] The Fortuitous Call from Richard Rainwater

[16:00] Bold Moves and Moonlighting with McKinsey

[20:00] Birth of Natural Gas Partners and First Investments

[24:00] Pivoting Strategy When the Market Shifted

[28:00] Betting on People vs. Assets

[30:00] What Makes a Good Founder?

[34:00] Investing Philosophy and Risk Alignment

[36:00] The Energy Transfer Home Run

[41:00] Mentorship from Richard Rainwater

[45:00] Reflections on Energy Policy and Public Perception

[50:00] U.S. Energy Independence and Shale Revolution

[55:00] The Realities of Energy Transition and Clean Tech

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In this conversation, we take a deep dive into R. Gerald Turner’s remarkable 30-year run as president of Southern Methodist University. We cover everything from faith and small-town values to high-stakes athletics and billion-dollar fundraising campaigns. Turner reflects on leadership decisions, including firing a popular football coach at Ole Miss, building SMU’s academic and athletic infrastructure, securing the George W. Bush Presidential Library, and navigating the politics of higher education. It’s a masterclass in values-based leadership, institutional transformation, and the delicate balance between tradition and innovation.

In This Episode

[02:00] Leadership and LongevityWhy being on the same page with trustees was the cornerstone of Turner’s legacy.

[03:30] From New Boston to AcademiaHow a small Texas town, sports, and family shaped his early years.

[06:00] Faith and LeadershipTurner’s lifelong spiritual foundation and its impact on academic life.

[09:00] Decision Making Under PressureFrom Ole Miss controversies to student development during COVID.

[13:30] The Death Penalty & Rebuilding SMU FootballThe long road back and why facilities, traditions like the Boulevard, and student experience matter.

[20:00] Athletic and Academic RebuildHow sports success translates into applications and why facilities are investments.

[25:00] The ACC LeapBehind the scenes of SMU’s jump to the ACC and alumni stepping up with $100M.

[32:00] Winning the Bush LibraryPolitics, land deals, and strategic influence that brought a presidential library to campus.

[38:00] The Value of Higher Ed TodayWhy college still matters and the myths about billionaire dropouts.

[41:00] Free Speech & Campus PoliticsThe influence of critical theory, Trump-era backlash, and balancing academic perspectives.

[47:00] SMU’s Future & Next Leadership What’s next under President Hartzel and the importance of continuity with vision.

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Commissioner John Wiley Price, often dubbed “Our Man Downtown,” sits down with Tom and Kyle for a wide-ranging conversation on his four decades of service in Dallas County. As the longest-serving commissioner in Texas—and possibly the nation—Price offers a unique, unfiltered perspective on the intersection of policy, race, faith, and leadership.The episode digs deep into the structural issues that continue to shape life in Dallas: inequities in infrastructure, disparities in healthcare access, the troubling state of public education, and the persistent challenges of criminal justice.

He doesn't shy away from controversy, either. From views on the intentional underfunding of public schools to breaking down how book bans and voucher programs threaten generational progress, Price challenges listeners to confront their held beliefs. Whether you agree with him or not, this episode is a masterclass in leadership, legacy, and not backing down from the fight.

In This Episode

[01:10] A Legendary Run: 41 years as commissioner and why he's just getting started

[04:00] The Origin of “Our Man Downtown”

[06:00] Infrastructure & Equity: Roads, Water, and the Politics of Development

[08:15] Minority Contracting and Measured Progress

[12:00] Education as Civil Rights: From Rosenwald Schools to Modern-Day Bans

[18:00] Why Third Grade Reading Scores Predict Prison Populations

[20:00] Charter Schools, Vouchers, and the Erosion of Public Education

[29:00] Parkland Hospital, UT Southwestern, and Healthcare Deserts

[38:00] Fair Park, FQHCs, and the Role of Churches in Community Health

[44:00] National Healthcare Needs and Dying of Whiteness

[52:00] Inside the Jail System: Management, Mental Health & Gender Dynamics

[58:00] Criminal Justice Creativity: Burglar Court and Behavioral Pods

[01:04:00] Homeward Bound: Local Models That Work

[01:08:00] Leadership by Presence: Why JWP Shows Up Every Day

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Rob Kaplan, former President of the Dallas Federal Reserve, takes us through his remarkable journey across three major arenas: finance, academia, and public service. From his days on the Goldman Sachs management committee to shaping U.S. monetary policy, Kaplan shares powerful lessons on leadership, economic foresight, mentoring future leaders, and the strategic risks facing the U.S. economy today. He unpacks everything from Fed decision-making and global competitiveness to AI, tariffs, and why listening might be the most underrated skill in business.

In This Episode

[00:45] From Markets to Mission: Kaplan’s early fascination with finance and his journey through Goldman Sachs

[06:50] Learning to Lead: The importance of mentoring, listening, and building strong teams

[15:30] Harvard Years & Learning to Teach: Why academia changed how he managed economists at the Fed

[20:00] Inside the Fed: What really happens in those high-stakes policy meetings

[26:10] Structural vs. Cyclical Thinking: Why this distinction matters in economic forecasting

[32:00] Tariffs, Tax Bills & Tension: Breaking down current U.S. fiscal and trade policy moves

[38:20] Global Economic Risk & Reserve Currency Reality

[43:00] Productivity, AI, and the Long Game for Growth

[48:00] Education, Skills Training & What Keeps Rob Up at Night

[53:40] Trust, Institutions, and America's Competitive Advantage

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Kyle and Tom take a step back to tell the story of their friendship and what sparked the Intersections podcast. What began as bi-weekly breakfasts evolved into a deep friendship spanning generations, perspectives, and life experiences. From entrepreneurship to public service, from personal struggles to professional milestones, they share the story behind the mic—and why this podcast aims to humanize leadership, elevate diverse voices, and explore the issues that shape lives and culture.

In This Episode

[01:20] Pancakes, Bacon, and the Start of a Mentorship

[04:05] Generational Differences & Family Foundations

[06:45] Entrepreneurship, Real Estate, and Resilience in Your 20s

[09:50] Learning from Failure and the Importance of People

[13:20] The Influence of a Single Mom

[15:55] Perseverance, Faith, and the Power of Encouragement

[18:40] A Chance Encounter that Changed Everything

[22:00] Unexpected Doors: From Junior College to the White House

[26:30] Experience as a Gateway to Empathy

[29:00] The Podcast Idea: A Wild-Haired Moment[

31:25] What Makes Intersections Unique

[33:40] The Power of Stories, Not Outlines

[36:00] Our Guests: From Beat Cops to Fed Chairs

[41:15] Leadership, Education, and Servant Influence[45:00] Looking Ahead: More Voices, More Stories

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Admiral Pat Walsh, the only person to serve as both a Blue Angel and a four-star admiral, joins the show to share wisdom forged in the skies, at sea, and through global crises. From commanding the Pacific Fleet during the 2011 Japan earthquake and Fukushima disaster to leading major educational reform today, Pat’s story is one of humility, service, and mission-driven leadership. Whether flying fighter jets or reshaping underserved communities, his approach blends servant leadership with deep cultural insight and a relentless pursuit of growth.

In This Episode

[00:00] Intro to Admiral Walsh & his Navy legacy

[01:30] Most satisfying assignment: Commanding an F-18 squadron

[05:00] The power of the all-volunteer force & White House Fellowship

[07:00] Aviation, Top Gun, and the Blue Angels

[12:00] Life in Bahrain & insights on majority/minority dynamics

[16:00] Lessons in leadership from the Blue Angels: Critique & team trust

[20:00] Midway & the importance of honest reflection in national defense

[24:00] Operation Tomodachi: Responding to Japan’s 3/11 disaster

[31:00] Real-time crisis communication and social media’s unexpected role

[34:00] Impact of the mission on U.S.-Japan relations

[36:00] The rules-based world order & its modern challenges

[39:00] Strategic threats: Strait of Hormuz, South China Sea, and Taiwan

[45:00] Cyber warfare and U.S. vulnerability

[52:00] Christo Rey: Building generational change through education

[59:00] From Pleasant Grove to College Degrees: Changing a community

[1:03:00] The Guantanamo report: Moral courage in service

[1:10:00] Final thoughts on service, sacrifice, and transformational leadership

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Chris Young, President of Baseball Operations for the Texas Rangers, shares a wide-ranging and heartfelt conversation about leadership, resilience, and the state of the game. A Dallas native who went from Highland Park to Princeton, from player to exec, Chris opens up about navigating setbacks, building a winning culture, and the 2023 World Series run. He also reflects on his faith, family, and what truly matters beyond the scoreboard.Whether you're a diehard baseball fan or just someone interested in integrity-driven leadership, this episode offers insight, encouragement, and wisdom from one of MLB’s most respected voices.

In This Episode

[01:10] Baseball's Rollercoaster: Chris talks about the ups and downs of a long season, tight margins in baseball, and the mental grind of leadership.

[04:00] The Levers of Leadership: Internal discussions, accountability, and managing a team of high-earning pros—what changes can you actually make?

[07:30] Building Culture Over Talent: Why character comes first and how Chris’s leadership philosophy is shaped by team-first mentality.

[09:40] World Series Flashback: From Game 5 heartbreak to ALCS victory—Chris shares the behind-the-scenes message that helped rally the Rangers.

[14:20] Comeback Player of the Year: Chris details his injury battles, emotional lows, and the surgery that reignited his career—and the lesson he wanted to teach his kids.

[20:00] Princeton, Perspective & North Texas Roots: On his college decision, raising his family in Dallas, and why Ranger pride needed a reboot.

[24:10] NIL & Baseball's New Era: The college sports shake-up, shifting developmental paths, and its impact on the draft and minor leagues.

[29:40] Baseball vs. Basketball: Why Chris picked the diamond over the court despite an offer from the Sacramento Kings—and what legendary coach Pete Carril told him.

[34:30] Faith, Family & What Grounds You: Chris on humility, identity, and staying centered through the chaos of pro sports.

[38:00] Competing with the Giants: Why market size doesn’t guarantee success—and how Dallas can become a true baseball town.

[41:30] The Future of the Game: From pitch clocks to expanding globally, Chris gives an insider's view on what MLB needs to thrive.

[47:30] Social Media & Player Pressure: Today’s athletes live in a different world—Chris reflects on mental health, identity, and what he tells minor leaguers.

[51:00] Youth Sports & The Right Lessons: A candid take on participation trophies, failure, and what makes a great youth coach.

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Chief Brown is the former Police Chief of Dallas and the former Police Superintendent of Chicago. His career spans 30+ years with a commitment to viewing his work through the lens of truth and grace. Chief Brown grew up in Dallas and was the first police chief to utilize an explosive armed robot  to eliminate a suspect during the deadly July 7th, 2016 attack that killed 5 DPD officers. Chief Brown is credited with strengthening DPD’s ties to the community, lowering violent crime, and making Dallas a safer city. 

In This Episode

[02:45] Losing a Partner and Finding Purpose: The traumatic loss of his partner and how it shaped his path to leadership.

[05:00] July 7, 2016 – A Chief’s Toughest Day: An in-depth account of the Dallas protest shooting, decision-making in crisis, and use of a robot bomb—unprecedented in U.S. policing.

[13:50] Growing Up in South Oak Cliff: The role of family, the crack epidemic, and why he chose a career in law enforcement despite personal and family resistance.

[17:40] Discretion, Compassion, and Policing with Heart: A powerful story of showing grace to a young man that changed how he approached community policing.

[20:55] Policing Philosophy & Challenges with Police Culture: Pushing back on union dynamics, promoting community accountability, and the evolution from arrest-focused to community-focused.

[24:10] George Floyd & Police Reform: Insights into systemic issues, internal discipline, and the delicate balance leaders must strike.

[26:20] The Future of Policing: Challenges recruiting young people, political influence, and his hope for moderation in policing narratives.

[30:00] Leading in Dallas vs. Chicago: Cultural, political, and structural differences between the two cities—and his mission to develop local leadership in Chicago.

[37:10] Strategic Police Growth in Dallas: How increased staffing under Mayor Rawlings led to crime reduction and better response times.

[39:50] Community Restoration & Economic Framing: Why framing police investment as economic development helped foster support in historically underserved areas.

[41:00] Faith, Service, and the Role of the Church: Chief Brown shares the spiritual foundation behind his resilience and why personal relationships matter more than policy.

[43:40] “Defund the Police” & Prosecutorial Agendas: His critique of the defunding movement, policy failures, and the downstream effects on neighborhoods that need protection the most.

[48:45] Investing in Young People & Leadership Diversity: A call to raise up new leaders—especially women—and why he believes servant leadership is still the path forward.

[50:45] Legacy, Estate Planning, and Family Impact: Chief Brown reflects on giving back intentionally.

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We’re Kyle and Tom—two guys from two very different generations, sitting down to talk about the issues shaping our country. From business to politics to sports, Intersections is all about getting a multi-generational perspective on what matters most. We've got a great lineup of recognizable guests from Chief David Brown to Chris Young (President of the Texas Rangers) —leaders with real stories to tell. And while we may not agree on everything, that’s the point. Real conversation, real tension, real insight.

What to Expect:– A cross-generational take on America’s biggest issues– Guests from business, politics, and sports who bring fresh perspective– Honest, human conversations that go beyond headlines– Stories that connect the dots between personal experience and public impact

Why Listen?Because understanding each other—across generations, backgrounds, and beliefs—is more important than ever. And we’re here for those conversations.

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