Road to the Trials

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Erik Linden returns to the Olympic Trials stage after running a breakthrough 2:12 at the McKirdy Micro Marathon, continuing a marathon journey that has been defined by patience, curiosity, and a willingness to follow his own path. A previous Trials qualifier for Orlando, Erik has steadily improved over the years while balancing running with the rest of life, constantly searching for new ways to stay engaged, motivated, and growing in the sport.

In this conversation, Erik reflects on his progression from collegiate runner to 2:12 marathoner, the training changes that fueled his latest breakthrough, and why he's never been afraid to evolve as an athlete. He and Peter discuss finding the right training environment, trusting intuition, navigating the gap between competitive amateur and professional running, and what it means to keep pursuing improvement after years in the sport. It's a thoughtful look at longevity, reinvention, and the joy of continuing to chase what's possible.

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After qualifying for her third Olympic Trials with a 2:32 at CIM, Sarah Reiter joins the podcast to reflect on her marathon journey, from a difficult debut in Brooks Adrenalines to becoming a three-time Trials qualifier and leader within Tracksmith’s Stamata team. She shares what she's learned through years of racing, why she believes joy and balance are essential to longevity in the sport, and how she approaches the pressure that comes with chasing ambitious goals.

Sarah also talks about pacing teammates at the Eugene Marathon, the evolution of the Olympic Trials standard, her hopes of breaking 2:30, and why she still believes the best racing of her career may be ahead of her. Whether you're chasing your first OTQ or your third, Sarah's perspective on consistency, community, and enjoying the process offers plenty to take away. 

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Jax Siddall joins Peter Bromka after a breakthrough performance at the Eugene Marathon, where he won his marathon debut and secured an Olympic Trials qualifier. A sixth-grade teacher in Colorado, Jax shares the path that took him from Eastern Kentucky University to the front of one of the country's premier marathons.

Jax reflects on the training philosophy that has fueled his development, lessons learned from time spent in Flagstaff, balancing teaching with high-level running, and what it's like to race alone for much of a marathon. He also discusses the importance of consistency, learning from athletes around him, and why he believes his best running is still ahead of him.

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Wahoo continues to redefine indoor training with the KICKR RUN treadmill, designed to respond dynamically to how athletes actually run. With features like automatic pace control, terrain simulation, lateral tilt, and seamless connectivity to platforms like Zwift and Strava, it delivers a more realistic and engaging training experience. Trusted by world-class runners and triathletes alike, Wahoo builds tools that keep athletes training smarter, not just harder. Use code "Trials28" for a free bluetooth fan ($319 in value) at wahoofitness.com.

Joey Whelan returns to the podcast after one of the busiest stretches of racing imaginable. Since his breakout performance at CIM, he's added wins and course records in Austin and Buffalo, raced internationally in Hamburg, and continued building toward even bigger goals. Through it all, he's remained one of the sport's most unique competitors, balancing aggressive racing, high mileage, and a willingness to line up far more often than most elite marathoners.

In this conversation, Joey reflects on leading CIM for nearly the entire race, what he learned from racing solo for so many miles, and why he's increasingly embracing tactics, double-threshold training, and new approaches to recovery. He also shares his thoughts on the evolving American marathon scene, chasing World Championships qualification, the realities of racing without an agent, and why he's excited for another showdown with some familiar rivals at Grandma's Marathon. 

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Elena Hayday joins the podcast after a massive breakthrough at the 2026 Boston Marathon, where she ran 2:24 and officially entered a new level of American marathoning. But as she shares in this conversation, the performance was years in the making. After multiple marathons that almost came together, tough lessons with fueling and GI issues, and balancing elite training alongside a neuroscience PhD program, Boston was the race where everything finally clicked.

Elena talks about the process of fully committing to running, joining Minnesota Distance Elite, training alongside athletes like Dakota Popehn and Annie Frisbie, and learning to believe she belongs in those front packs. She also shares how working with a dietitian transformed her recovery, why she’s starting to think differently about racing instead of just pacing, and what it feels like to suddenly realize the Olympic Trials — and maybe even Team USA — could truly be within reach.

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Luke Maher joins Road to the Trials to pull back the curtain on Puma Running’s Project 3 initiative and how it’s helping fuel one of the most exciting eras in amateur marathoning. From early access to prototype super shoes to building a global community of runners chasing breakthrough performances, Luke shares how the program grew from a product idea into something much bigger.

The conversation also gets into the super shoe era, the support Project 3 gives athletes beyond gear, the $3,000 PR bonus, and why runners like Joey Whelan and Alana Hadley show how close the gap can be between everyday life and pro-level racing.

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Aidan Reed has quietly become one of the most versatile runners in the American road scene, finding success everywhere from the 10-mile to the half marathon while continuing to chase breakthroughs in the marathon. In this conversation, he reflects on life with the Roots Running Project, the evolution of American marathoning, and what it’s really like trying to compete at the highest level during one of the deepest eras the sport has seen. 

Aidan also opens up about his experiences at both the Olympic Marathon and Track Trials, his ambitions to represent Team USA internationally, and the importance of building a life outside of running through community organizing and activism. It’s an honest conversation about ambition, identity, and what keeps him motivated heading toward 2028.

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Andie Cozzarelli’s path back to the Olympic Trials qualifier spans nearly 14 years, from qualifying for her first Trials in 2012 through years of injuries, RED-S, surgeries, setbacks, and rebuilding her relationship with running and her body. She finally broke through again, running 2:36:59 and securing her return to the Trials in one of the final dramatic races of the qualifying window.

In this episode, Andie opens up about the highs and lows between those two qualifiers, including stepping away from unhealthy training patterns, recovering from hip surgery, and learning how to approach the marathon from a healthier and more sustainable place. She shares how self-coaching, consistent training, and a renewed focus on fueling and recovery helped her finally put everything together again after years of setbacks.

The conversation also explores the emotional side of chasing long-term goals, what it felt like to line up at the Olympic Trials a decade apart, and why this qualifier meant so much more than just the standard itself.

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Wahoo continues to redefine indoor training with the KICKR RUN treadmill, designed to respond dynamically to how athletes actually run. With features like automatic pace control, terrain simulation, lateral tilt, and seamless connectivity to platforms like Zwift and Strava, it delivers a more realistic and engaging training experience. Trusted by world-class runners and triathletes alike, Wahoo builds tools that keep athletes training smarter, not just harder. Use code "Trials28" for a free bluetooth fan ($319 in value) at wahoofitness.com.

Sean Grossman’s road to the Olympic Trials qualifier was anything but straightforward. After years of near misses, injuries, tough marathon lessons, and balancing elite training with a full-time career in construction management, he finally broke through with a 2:15 at the McKirrdy Micro Marathon after 2,303 days of chasing the OTQ.

In this episode, Sean reflects on growing up on Long Island, running at the University of Miami, and gradually building himself into one of New York City’s top amateur marathoners. He shares what it was like stacking marathon cycles after the New York City Marathon, learning how to finally race the final 10K well, and navigating the mental grind of the McKirdy Micro Marathon’s repetitive looped course.

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Wahoo continues to redefine indoor training with the KICKR RUN treadmill, designed to respond dynamically to how athletes actually run. With features like automatic pace control, terrain simulation, lateral tilt, and seamless connectivity to platforms like Zwift and Strava, it delivers a more realistic and engaging training experience. Trusted by world-class runners and triathletes alike, Wahoo builds tools that keep athletes training smarter, not just harder. Use code "Trials28" for a free bluetooth fan ($319 in value) at wahoofitness.com.

Conner Peloquin’s path back to the Olympic Trials wasn’t linear. After qualifying in 2019 and DNFing at the 2020 Trials, he stepped away from the sport, battled injuries, and eventually believed a 2:16 standard was out of reach. Fast forward to today, and he’s not only back, he’s running faster than ever.

In this episode, Conner shares the full arc of his journey, from early success and setbacks to nearly walking away from competitive running altogether. A turning point came unexpectedly, sparked by a mix of life changes, a half marathon breakthrough, and a reconnection with former teammate and now coach Rory Linkletter, who helped unlock a new level of potential.

His breakthrough race at the McCurdy Micro Marathon was supposed to be low-pressure, just a step along the way. Instead, it became a defining performance. Conner takes us inside that day, from early doubts and physical discomfort to finding his rhythm in the pack and ultimately running 2:15, a result that reignited his competitive fire.

Beyond the performance, this conversation dives into the evolution of his training, including a shift away from proving fitness in workouts toward building it over time. He discusses the impact of double threshold training, consistency over perfection, and learning to respect recovery after years of overreaching.

Conner also reflects on the role of faith, perspective, and balance in his life, and how focusing on something greater than running helped him rediscover both joy and discipline in the sport.

Looking ahead to the 2028 Olympic Trials, his goal is simple but deeply meaningful: finish the race. After years of chasing times and battling setbacks, this chapter is about showing up fully, competing with gratitude, and embracing the process that got him there.

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Wahoo continues to redefine indoor training with the KICKR RUN treadmill, designed to respond dynamically to how athletes actually run. With features like automatic pace control, terrain simulation, lateral tilt, and seamless connectivity to platforms like Zwift and Strava, it delivers a more realistic and engaging training experience. Trusted by world-class runners and triathletes alike, Wahoo builds tools that keep athletes training smarter, not just harder. Use code "Trials28" for a free bluetooth fan ($319 in value) at wahoofitness.com.

Mason Coppi didn’t line up at the Boston Marathon expecting to win the open race or chase an Olympic Trials qualifier. In fact, he had just raced the Gorge 30K days earlier and came into Boston ready to “blow up” and simply experience the course. Instead, he found himself running at the front, closing in 4:46, and discovering a new level of durability and belief in what’s possible. 

In this episode, Mason shares how a winter of limited speed work due to injury turned into a breakthrough block built on aerobic strength, cycling volume, and smart restraint. He breaks down the unique crossover between trail and road racing, including how eccentric loading from mountain running can build resilience for the marathon.

The conversation goes deep into training philosophy, from balancing intensity and volume to structuring back-to-back long efforts that build true fatigue resistance. Mason also gives a behind-the-scenes look at racing Boston from the front pack, navigating the Newton Hills, and embracing uncertainty with curiosity rather than fear. 

Looking ahead, Mason is leaning into variety, from mountain championships to 50K trail races, while keeping the Olympic Trials firmly in view. This episode is a masterclass in adaptability, curiosity-driven racing, and redefining limits in real time.

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Caitlin Phillips’ journey to her fourth Olympic Trials qualifier is not defined by a single breakthrough, but by years of consistency, setbacks, and a deep-rooted love for the sport. In this conversation, Caitlin shares what it took to return to elite marathoning after childbirth, a serious pelvic floor injury, and a long stretch away from running. 

After running 2:36 at the California International Marathon and placing second in the masters field, Caitlin reflects on how this qualifier carries a different weight than the others. This time, it was not about chasing a time she knew she could hit, but about rediscovering whether it was even possible again. The episode explores the uncertainty of rebuilding from zero, the mental shifts required during postpartum recovery, and the patience it takes to test your limits week by week. 

Caitlin also opens up about longevity in the sport, what keeps her connected to running after decades, and how community, especially in New York City, has shaped her experience. From early high-mileage breakthroughs to evolving goals as a mother and masters athlete, she offers an honest look at how motivation changes over time and why stepping back can sometimes be just as important as pushing forward. 

The conversation also touches on the evolving running landscape, the rise of competitive club culture, and the growing visibility of women pursuing big goals at every stage of life. Caitlin’s story is a reminder that progress is rarely linear, and that success can look different in every chapter, but still be just as meaningful.

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Wahoo continues to redefine indoor training with the KICKR RUN treadmill, designed to respond dynamically to how athletes actually run. With features like automatic pace control, terrain simulation, lateral tilt, and seamless connectivity to platforms like Zwift and Strava, it delivers a more realistic and engaging training experience. Trusted by world-class runners and triathletes alike, Wahoo builds tools that keep athletes training smarter, not just harder. Use code "Trials28" for a free bluetooth fan ($319 in value) at wahoofitness.com.

Brooke Starn is proving that high-level marathoning and a career in medicine can coexist, even if it takes creativity, flexibility, and a lot of early mornings.

A former standout at Harvard and UC Davis, Brooke’s path to the Olympic Trials qualifier has been anything but linear. After debuting with a surprise win at the San Francisco Marathon, she balanced medical school, residency, and marathon training while steadily chipping away at the OTQ standard. 

In this episode, Brooke shares how her love for running started early, how injuries and COVID shaped her collegiate career, and how she transitioned from track and cross country into the marathon. She walks through key races like Berlin, Boston, and Chicago, and what she learned from both breakthroughs and setbacks along the way.

The conversation dives deep into what it actually looks like to train at a high level while working 60–70 hour weeks as a pediatric resident. Brooke explains how she builds mileage around an unpredictable schedule, why she prioritizes effort over strict pacing, and the unconventional strategies that help her get in long runs, including post-24-hour shifts powered by caffeine and momentum.

She also reflects on the strength of the New York City running community, racing with Central Park Track Club, and the collaborative energy among athletes chasing the same goal across teams.

With her OTQ secured, Brooke is approaching the next two years with a mix of ambition and freedom. From potentially returning to the track to racing the New York City Marathon, she’s embracing the rare opportunity to explore different distances while continuing to build toward the Olympic Trials.

This episode is a reminder that there is no single path to success in the marathon, and that consistency, adaptability, and a genuine love for the sport can carry you further than any perfectly executed training plan.

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Wahoo continues to redefine indoor training with the KICKR RUN treadmill, designed to respond dynamically to how athletes actually run. With features like automatic pace control, terrain simulation, lateral tilt, and seamless connectivity to platforms like Zwift and Strava, it delivers a more realistic and engaging training experience. Trusted by world-class runners and triathletes alike, Wahoo builds tools that keep athletes training smarter, not just harder. Use code "Trials28" for a free bluetooth fan ($319 in value) at wahoofitness.com.

Annabel Stafford didn’t just run her first marathon, she qualified for the Olympic Trials in it.

After a short and unconventional build that included time off from running due to injury, Annabel took a leap of faith at the McCurdy Micro Marathon. With just weeks of consistent training under her belt, she lined up alongside a group of women chasing the same goal and trusted that the fitness would be there.

It was.

In this episode, Annabel shares how she went from questioning whether she’d even make it to the start line to running well under the OTQ standard in her debut marathon. She walks through the unique format of the McCurdy Micro, from single-file pacing to looping a three-mile course nine times, and how that structure helped her stay locked in and confident throughout the race. 

Annabel also reflects on her unconventional path into competitive running, from growing up overseas and walking onto the team at Colorado State to now balancing veterinary school at Tufts with high-level marathon training. Her story highlights the importance of patience, adaptability, and learning to trust effort over strict pace goals, especially when conditions and circumstances are less than ideal.

The conversation dives into injury setbacks, rebuilding confidence, and how shifting toward more intuitive, effort-based training played a key role in her success. It is also a reminder that sometimes less pressure and a little uncertainty can lead to breakthrough performances.

Now, with her Olympic Trials qualifier secured, Annabel is looking ahead to the next chapter, continuing to build in the marathon while staying grounded in what has always driven her: a genuine love for running.

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Wahoo continues to redefine indoor training with the KICKR RUN treadmill, designed to respond dynamically to how athletes actually run. With features like automatic pace control, terrain simulation, lateral tilt, and seamless connectivity to platforms like Zwift and Strava, it delivers a more realistic and engaging training experience. Trusted by world-class runners and triathletes alike, Wahoo builds tools that keep athletes training smarter, not just harder. Use code "Trials28" for a free bluetooth fan ($319 in value) at wahoofitness.com.

Jess Donahue’s story is one that a lot of runners will recognize, but very few get to finish the way she just did. After falling short of her Olympic Trials qualifier goal at The Marathon Project, she didn’t take months to regroup or overanalyze what went wrong. She made the decision almost immediately to try again, trusting that the fitness was already there, even if the result hadn’t shown it yet.

That decision led her to the McKirdy Micro Marathon, where she delivered a breakthrough performance, running 2:34:40 to secure her Olympic Trials qualifier and take a massive step forward in her career. The turnaround wasn’t just physical. It was mental. Jess talks openly about how the disappointment from her previous race removed a layer of fear, allowing her to show up with confidence instead of pressure.

In this conversation, Jess shares what it took to rebuild her relationship with running after years of injuries and an intense eating disorder, and how stepping away from the sport entirely helped her come back stronger, healthier, and more grounded. She talks about increasing her mileage safely, adding double threshold workouts, and finding a balance between performance and longevity that finally clicked.

There is also a deeper layer to this episode that goes beyond training. Jess reflects on identity, mental health, and what it means to pursue big goals without tying your worth to the outcome. It is an honest look at the highs and lows of chasing something ambitious, and what it takes to keep going when things do not go as planned.

Now, with her OTQ secured, Jess is setting her sights on the next level, chasing a sub-2:30 marathon and continuing to explore her potential across distances. Her story is a reminder that progress is rarely linear, and sometimes the breakthrough comes right after the setback.

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Wahoo continues to redefine indoor training with the KICKR RUN treadmill, designed to respond dynamically to how athletes actually run. With features like automatic pace control, terrain simulation, lateral tilt, and seamless connectivity to platforms like Zwift and Strava, it delivers a more realistic and engaging training experience. Trusted by world-class runners and triathletes alike, Wahoo builds tools that keep athletes training smarter, not just harder. Use code "Trials28" for a free bluetooth fan ($319 in value) at wahoofitness.com.

In this episode, Peter sits down with Rosa Moriello to break down everything that makes the Eugene Marathon such a special race. From the course itself to the atmosphere, Rosa shares her experience racing the half marathon, where she qualified for the Olympic Trials and soaked in one of the most unique finishes in running.

Rosa talks about why she chose Eugene, how the race environment compares to bigger marathons, and what stood out most about the course, especially the long, gradual hills that demand patience and smart pacing. She shares practical insights on how to approach those sections, why effort matters more than pace on this course, and how to stay engaged when the race gets quieter in the later miles.

The conversation also dives into what makes Eugene different. From the energy of the Pacific Northwest running culture to finishing inside Hayward Field, Rosa reflects on how the history of the sport adds to the experience and elevates race day. She also shares what it felt like to close hard on the track, narrowly hitting the OTQ standard, and why that moment stood out in her running journey.

Peter and Rosa discuss the mental side of racing, how to stay focused through changing race dynamics, and why this course offers a unique challenge that rewards both physical and mental strength. They also touch on the post-race atmosphere, the celebration inside the stadium, and why Eugene continues to build momentum as a destination race for runners chasing big goals.

This episode is both a course preview and a deeper look at what makes a race meaningful, whether you are chasing a time, competing for a win, or simply trying to get the most out of yourself on race day.

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Wahoo continues to redefine indoor training with the KICKR RUN treadmill, designed to respond dynamically to how athletes actually run. With features like automatic pace control, terrain simulation, lateral tilt, and seamless connectivity to platforms like Zwift and Strava, it delivers a more realistic and engaging training experience. Trusted by world-class runners and triathletes alike, Wahoo builds tools that keep athletes training smarter, not just harder. Use code "Trials28" for a free bluetooth fan ($319 in value) at wahoofitness.com.

Michael Morris has been chasing the Olympic Trials qualifier for over six years. In this conversation, he shares what it actually looks like to stay committed through near-misses, setbacks, and years of steady progress, ultimately breaking through with a 2:15:07 at the McCurdy Micro Marathon to secure his spot at the 2028 Trials. 

Michael reflects on the evolution of his training, from balancing teaching and coaching with inconsistent mileage to building toward 100+ mile weeks and a more structured approach. He talks through the emotional weight of missing the standard multiple times, what finally clicked in this build, and how experience in the marathon helped him navigate race day with confidence.

The conversation goes deeper than splits and training. Michael shares the role his family, coaches, and community have played in his journey, including the lasting impact of his father and the people who believed in him along the way. It is a story about patience, resilience, and choosing to keep showing up, even when the outcome is uncertain.

This episode is a reminder that progress in the marathon is rarely linear, and that sometimes the breakthrough comes after years of doing the work without guarantees.

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Andrew Storer, the filmmaker behind one of the most impactful running series in recent memory, joins Road to the Trials to share how he built a documentary-style look into elite marathoning from the ground up. 

After being laid off and pushed into freelancing, Andrew took a risk on telling the story of athletes like Clayton Young, recognizing a gap in how the sport was being documented. What followed was a fast-moving, self-produced series that gave fans unprecedented access to the training, mindset, and personalities behind Olympic-level marathoning. 

In this conversation, Andrew breaks down his approach to storytelling, why authenticity matters more than polished ads, and how documenting real moments—workouts, conversations, and race build-ups—creates deeper connection with audiences. He also shares the behind-the-scenes realities of filming elite runners mid-workout, balancing creative work with logistics, and how brands can better support athlete storytelling. 

This episode offers a look at the evolving intersection of sport, media, and storytelling—and why the future of running content may look very different from the past.

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Abby Shoemaker joins Road to the Trials after a standout performance at the Napa Valley Marathon, where she ran 2:35 to secure her Olympic Trials Qualifying time and set a course record.

Abby shares her unconventional path to the marathon, from running Division III at the University of Chicago to building her career and training life in New York City. She reflects on the breakthrough moment that shifted her mindset, the role of consistency over perfection, and how she balances high-level training with a full-time job and an active social life.

The conversation explores her near-miss at the New York City Marathon, why Napa was the right next step, and how she approached racing solo for much of the course. Abby also talks about the influence of her mom, an accomplished runner in her own right, and how growing up in a running family shaped her perspective on the sport.

With a refreshing outlook on competition, Abby emphasizes enjoying the process, staying flexible, and building a life where running fits alongside everything else.

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Rebecca Schmitt joins Road to the Trials after a breakout performance at the California International Marathon, where she placed sixth overall and ran 2:28 to secure her Olympic Trials qualifier. Balancing a full-time career as an engineer with high-level training, Rebecca’s path to this moment has been anything but linear.

In this episode, Rebecca shares her progression from a 2:55 marathoner running 40 miles per week to competing at the front of a national championship field. She reflects on stepping away from the sport due to disordered eating, finding her way back in her late 20s, and learning how to pursue big goals without letting running define her identity.

The conversation dives into her CIM race, where a collaborative pack of women worked together through halfway before turning it into a true competition over the final miles. Rebecca talks about the mental shift from running by pace to racing with others, and how that helped unlock her 2:28 performance.

She also shares insight into her training, including moderate mileage, key workouts, and the role of data in her approach. With new goals on the horizon, including a potential 10K Olympic Trials qualifier and continued growth in the marathon, Rebecca is just getting started.

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Head coach Sam Butler joins Road to the Trials to share how he’s building one of the most exciting emerging marathon groups in the U.S. through Gazelle Elite. Based in Michigan and supported by Gazelle Sports and adidas, the team has quickly gained momentum with multiple athletes qualifying for the Olympic Trials and many more knocking on the door.

Sam walks through the origins of Gazelle Elite, from a local idea to support West Michigan runners to a growing program focused on marathon development. He explains why the marathon became the team’s primary focus, how he evaluates athletes beyond just times, and what it takes to develop consistent, long-term success in a “blue collar” training environment.

A major theme of the conversation is individualization. Sam shares how no two athletes on the team train the same, and why communication and trust matter more than any specific workout or mileage number. He also dives into how the team balances athletes at different stages, from those chasing their first OTQ to those already qualified and aiming to be competitive at the Trials.

The episode also explores the less visible side of performance, including mobility, strength work, nutrition, and the importance of staying healthy over long training cycles. Sam emphasizes a process-driven approach, where stacking small habits and staying consistent ultimately leads to breakthrough performances.

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Wahoo continues to redefine indoor training with the KICKR RUN treadmill, designed to respond dynamically to how athletes actually run. With features like automatic pace control, terrain simulation, lateral tilt, and seamless connectivity to platforms like Zwift and Strava, it delivers a more realistic and engaging training experience. Trusted by world-class runners and triathletes alike, Wahoo builds tools that keep athletes training smarter, not just harder.

JP Flavin joins the show after a breakthrough win at the Marathon Project and a massive leap forward to 2:09. His journey hasn’t followed a traditional path, but that’s exactly what makes it compelling. From a solid but not standout college career to becoming one of the top American marathoners, JP has built his success through consistency, self-awareness, and a willingness to evolve.

JP shares how his approach to racing is shifting from chasing times to learning how to truly compete. After years of focusing on hitting splits and executing pace, the Marathon Project marked a turning point where he trusted his instincts, made moves late in the race, and ran for the win.

A key theme in this conversation is understanding what works individually. JP explains how his training has evolved within the Hansons system, leaning into higher quality mileage and faster daily paces while still trusting the structure around him. He emphasizes that there’s no single formula for success in the marathon, and that belief in your approach is just as important as the training itself.

The conversation also dives into the mental side of marathoning, from managing expectations after a breakthrough performance to navigating the comparison trap in a sport where everyone’s training is visible. Through it all, JP keeps the focus on long-term growth, learning from others, and continuing to build toward future goals.

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Wahoo continues to redefine indoor training with the KICKR RUN treadmill, designed to respond dynamically to how athletes actually run. With features like automatic pace control, terrain simulation, lateral tilt, and seamless connectivity to platforms like Zwift and Strava, it delivers a more realistic and engaging training experience. Trusted by world-class runners and triathletes alike, Wahoo builds tools that keep athletes training smarter, not just harder.

Matt Lenehan joins Road to the Trials after qualifying for his third Olympic Trials, most recently breaking 2:16 at CIM. What stands out most about Matt’s journey isn’t just the progression from 2:38 to sub-2:16, but how he’s approached running the entire time: with consistency, curiosity, and a commitment to keeping it fun.

Matt shares how his progression has been steady rather than explosive, built on years of simply showing up. He talks about why he avoids overthinking races, often running without checking his watch, and how trusting effort over splits has helped him perform at his best.

A major theme throughout the conversation is community. From early training groups in San Francisco to his long-standing connection with Peninsula Distance Club, Matt emphasizes that running with others is the most important factor in improvement. He believes that finding people faster than you, and enjoying the process together, matters more than any specific training plan.

The conversation also explores Matt’s approach to racing and training philosophy. He discusses being “workout agnostic,” focusing less on the exact structure of workouts and more on effort and consistency. He also reflects on the difference between external goals like qualifying times and internal satisfaction, highlighting how the meaning of a performance can shift depending on context.

Beyond the roads, Matt talks about trail racing, cycling, and creative projects, including his unique running videos inspired by skate culture. Through it all, he keeps returning to the same idea: longevity in the sport comes from finding ways to enjoy it.

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Wahoo continues to redefine indoor training with the KICKR RUN treadmill, designed to respond dynamically to how athletes actually run. With features like automatic pace control, terrain simulation, lateral tilt, and seamless connectivity to platforms like Zwift and Strava, it delivers a more realistic and engaging training experience. Trusted by world-class runners and triathletes alike, Wahoo builds tools that keep athletes training smarter, not just harder.

Emily Saul joins Road to the Trials for a thoughtful conversation about the mental side of racing and what it takes to pursue big goals without letting pressure take over. A sports psychologist based in Boston, Emily works with athletes at every level and brings both professional expertise and personal experience as a marathoner to this conversation.

This episode explores the psychology behind chasing time-based goals like a Boston qualifier or Olympic Trials standard, and how athletes can stay connected to the process instead of getting consumed by the outcome. Emily shares her perspective on fear, motivation, focus, and how runners can define success in a way that supports both performance and growth.

Emily also talks about the unique mental demands of racing, from handling nerves on the start line to staying present during a marathon, and how athletes can build practical mental skills in training instead of waiting until race day to figure it out. They also get into how pressure, identity, social media, and outside expectations can shape an athlete’s experience for better or worse.

Whether you are chasing a personal best, a major qualifier, or simply trying to become a stronger and steadier competitor, this conversation offers a valuable look at the mindset side of the sport.

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The Marathon Project returns December 11–13, 2026 in Chandler, Arizona, offering one of the fastest, most athlete-focused marathon experiences in the country. The event features a Gold Wave amateur race on Saturday and the professional race on Sunday, giving runners the chance to race fast and then watch some of the best athletes in the sport compete the next day. The course is flat and criteria-style with pacers every five minutes from 2:20 to 3:30, bottle service, bag drop, and a top-tier race experience designed for performance. The Gold Wave is open to runners who have run under 3:30 since 2022, and last year 81% of finishers hit their Boston Qualifier. Registration is currently $400 but increases to $500 on April 1. Visit themarathonproject.com and use code roadtothetrials (all lowercase, no spaces) to save $25 on your entry.

Kristoffer Mugrage joins Road to the Trials to talk about his journey through multiple Olympic Trials cycles and what it takes to build a career in the marathon over the long term. Kris first came close to the Trials standard at CIM in 2019, missing by just seconds, and has steadily improved since then through years of high-mileage training and consistent racing.

Kris shares how his confidence as a marathoner grew through races like his win at the Columbus Marathon and his breakthrough performances at CIM. He reflects on finally making the Olympic Trials in 2024, the lessons learned from racing in the challenging Orlando conditions, and the balance between chasing fast times and competing for wins.

The conversation also dives into Kris’s training philosophy, including years of gradually building toward extremely high mileage and why patience is essential for endurance development. Kris talks about learning to embrace the marathon process, experimenting with training cycles, and what gives him confidence that faster performances are still ahead.

After recently running a personal best of 2:14:59 at the Marathon Project to secure the Olympic Trials standard, Kris is focused on continuing to compete at a high level, with Boston Marathon up next and his eyes set on bringing his best performance to the 2028 Olympic Trials.

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The Marathon Project returns December 11–13, 2026 in Chandler, Arizona, offering one of the fastest, most athlete-focused marathon experiences in the country. The event features a Gold Wave amateur race on Saturday and the professional race on Sunday, giving runners the chance to race fast and then watch some of the best athletes in the sport compete the next day. The course is flat and criteria-style with pacers every five minutes from 2:20 to 3:30, bottle service, bag drop, and a top-tier race experience designed for performance. The Gold Wave is open to runners who have run under 3:30 since 2022, and last year 81% of finishers hit their Boston Qualifier. Registration is currently $400 but increases to $500 on April 1. Visit themarathonproject.com and use code roadtothetrials (all lowercase, no spaces) to save $25 on your entry.

This week on Road to the Trials, Peter Bromka talks with Macy McRowe, whose marathon training looks very different from the typical elite approach.

Instead of the standard 7-day training cycle, Macy structures her training around a 14-day schedule, often running long only once every two weeks and mixing in significant cross training alongside limited running volume. Despite the unconventional structure, the approach helped her finish 6th at the Indianapolis Monumental Marathon.

Macy shares how this training style developed, why it works for her body, and what it takes to compete at a high level while doing things differently than most marathoners.

They also talk about her background in Division III running, her progression through the half marathon to the full marathon, and how she thinks about pacing, training balance, and long-term development.

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The Marathon Project returns December 11–13, 2026 in Chandler, Arizona, offering one of the fastest, most athlete-focused marathon experiences in the country. The event features a Gold Wave amateur race on Saturday and the professional race on Sunday, giving runners the chance to race fast and then watch some of the best athletes in the sport compete the next day. The course is flat and criteria-style with pacers every five minutes from 2:20 to 3:30, bottle service, bag drop, and a top-tier race experience designed for performance. The Gold Wave is open to runners who have run under 3:30 since 2022, and last year 81% of finishers hit their Boston Qualifier. Registration is currently $400 but increases to $500 on April 1. Visit themarathonproject.com and use code roadtothetrials (all lowercase, no spaces) to save $25 on your entry.

Felicia Pasadyn joins Road to the Trials after qualifying for the Olympic Trials Marathon in New York City with a 2:35 performance—her third marathon and part of a rapid progression from 2:49 to 2:44 to 2:35. At just 23 years old, Felicia brings one of the most unique backgrounds in the field.

A former Harvard swimmer who later swam while completing her master’s at Ohio State, Felicia spent most of her life focused on the pool before rediscovering competitive running. Now a newly graduated medical student awaiting residency placement, she balances elite-level endurance training with one of the most demanding academic paths imaginable.

Felicia shares how her swimming background shaped her aerobic engine, why she caps her running at about 50 miles per week, and how heavy cross-training and strength work form the backbone of her marathon preparation. The conversation highlights a different model for endurance success—one built on efficiency, creative training, and a willingness to challenge conventional mileage-based approaches.

It’s an inspiring look at a young athlete who seems to do everything quickly—whether it’s finishing medical school in three years or progressing rapidly in the marathon.

Ethan Shuley joins Road to the Trials after running 2:07:14, the seventh fastest marathon in American history. At just 27 years old and only a few years into serious marathoning, his rise has been fast, from 2:18 to 2:11 to 2:07 in a short window. But as Ethan explains, the breakthrough didn’t happen overnight. It’s the result of years of trial, error, and steadily applying simple principles at a very high level.

Peter and Ethan dig into what actually changed: training progression, volume, patience, and learning how to execute the fundamentals consistently. They talk through the difference between knowing what works and fully committing to it.

Ethan also shares how living and working in Japan shaped his approach to the marathon, what he’s absorbed from Japanese racing culture, and how that contrasts with the American system. With roots at BYU and connections to elite training groups in both countries, he offers a unique perspective on what it takes to move from “promising” to historically fast.

This is a deep, marathon-heavy conversation about how big jumps actually happen and what it looks like when an athlete fully buys in.

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Wahoo continues to redefine indoor training with the KICKR RUN treadmill, designed to respond dynamically to how athletes actually run. With features like automatic pace control, terrain simulation, lateral tilt, and seamless connectivity to platforms like Zwift and Strava, it delivers a more realistic and engaging training experience. Trusted by world-class runners and triathletes alike, Wahoo builds tools that keep athletes training smarter, not just harder. Use code "Trials28" for a free heart rate strap at wahoofitness.com.

Lindsey Hein, Peter Bromka, and Matt Chittim are all together for this episode for a behind-the-scenes “group chat” episode of Road to the Trials. Between some friendly banter they swap highlights from recent interviews, call out a few standout guests, and share why certain episodes feel like essential listens.

The bigger takeaway is how wide the range of “successful paths” really is. Different backgrounds, training styles, and life situations, yet athletes are still finding ways to hit the Trials qualifier. They also touch on the pressure content can add to the training cycle and why this show works best when it keeps the focus on real people, not just times on a list.

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Wahoo continues to redefine indoor training with the KICKR RUN treadmill, designed to respond dynamically to how athletes actually run. With features like automatic pace control, terrain simulation, lateral tilt, and seamless connectivity to platforms like Zwift and Strava, it delivers a more realistic and engaging training experience. Trusted by world-class runners and triathletes alike, Wahoo builds tools that keep athletes training smarter, not just harder. Use code "Trials28" for a free heart rate strap at wahoofitness.com.

In this episode of Road to the Trials, Lindsey Hein and Peter Bromka sit down with one of the most accomplished American distance runners of her generation: Emily Sisson.

Emily is the American record holder in the marathon with her 2:18:29 performance at the Chicago Marathon, a five-time Olympic Trials qualifier, and a two-time Olympian in both the 10,000m and the marathon. She reflects on the defining moments of her career — from the unforgettable “heat dome” 10,000m at the 2021 Trials to navigating the pressure of being the presumed favorite at the 2024 Marathon Trials.

Emily opens up about racing by feel, trusting instinct over splits, and how her Chicago American Record came together — including the now-famous detail that her watch died mid-race. She shares how championship-style racing feels like a game compared to time-chasing, and why some of her proudest moments have come when she let go of the clock entirely.

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Wahoo continues to redefine indoor training with the KICKR RUN treadmill, designed to respond dynamically to how athletes actually run. With features like automatic pace control, terrain simulation, lateral tilt, and seamless connectivity to platforms like Zwift and Strava, it delivers a more realistic and engaging training experience. Trusted by world-class runners and triathletes alike, Wahoo builds tools that keep athletes training smarter, not just harder. Use code "Trials28" for a free heart rate strap at wahoofitness.com.

In this episode of Road to the Trials, Matt Chittim and Peter Bromka sit down with Piper Atnip for one of the most powerful conversations of the season.

Piper’s journey to the Olympic Trials is anything but ordinary. From profound personal tragedy to earning her spot on the start line, her story is one of resilience, perspective, and quiet strength. With clarity, humility, and emotional honesty, Piper shares how grief reshaped her relationship with running, competition, and herself.

The conversation explores the mental and emotional shifts that allowed her not only to return to racing, but to thrive. Piper reflects on learning to hold ambition lightly, on separating identity from performance, and on how the marathon became a space for healing rather than pressure.

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In this episode of Road to the Trials, Peter Bromka and Lindsey Hein sit down with Melissa Berry, fresh off an incredible marathon debut at the California International Marathon, where she ran 2:35:57 to qualify for the Olympic Trials.

Melissa grew up in Eugene, Oregon and ran collegiately at the University of Oregon, navigating the ups and downs of a six-year college career that spanned the COVID era. After graduation, she relocated to Flagstaff, Arizona — one of the country’s premier distance running hubs — and found herself rediscovering her competitive edge.

Her marathon journey accelerated when she was selected for the Tracksmith Stamata program, a team built around supporting women chasing the Olympic Trials standard. Melissa shares what it was like to attend training camp in Vermont, build community with a diverse group of women ages 24 to 44, and lean into the team-first mindset that defines the program.

A pivotal moment in her build came when she began consulting with Steph Bruce in the final month before CIM. Steph’s encouragement — and her belief that the OTQ was within reach — gave Melissa the confidence to commit fully to the goal. On race day, after tracking down the OTQ pack eight miles into the race, Melissa stayed patient, trusted her training, and raced the final 10K to secure her qualifier in her very first marathon.

The conversation explores imposter syndrome, the power of community, the transition from college running to the marathon, and the moment belief turns into reality. Melissa’s story is one of patience, humility, and the courage to say the goal out loud — and then go chase it.

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In this episode of Road to the Trials, Matt Chittim sits down with Hannah Chau, a newly minted Olympic Trials qualifier whose story blends big racing goals with an equally demanding path in medicine.

Hannah reflects on her first attempt at qualifying for 2024 while still at UC Irvine, when she narrowly missed the standard at CIM in a debut marathon that was both chaotic and unforgettable. She shares what she learned from that near miss, why she kept coming back, and how those earlier attempts helped her stay calm and execute when it mattered most.

Now in medical school at Creighton’s Phoenix campus, Hannah talks candidly about balancing a packed academic schedule with high-mileage training. She gets specific about how she made it work: early mornings, doubles, fitting strength work into the margins, and building a system that keeps running as an outlet without letting school slip. The conversation also touches on COVID’s impact on her college years and how that period shaped her perspective on mental health and long-term growth.

A major thread throughout the episode is family. Hannah’s mom has been a marathoner for years and running became a shared experience that strengthened their relationship. Hannah also opens up about the dynamic with her dad, expectations around academics, and how that support evolved over time.

This is a conversation about persistence, patience, and doing two hard things at once, with a finish-line payoff that’s been years in the making.

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In this episode of Road to the Trials, Peter Bromka is joined by Mimi Smith, fresh off a sixth-place finish at the Houston Marathon.

Mimi’s path to this breakthrough has been anything but overnight. She grew up in Chicago, ran collegiately at Wake Forest University, and made her Olympic Trials debut at the 2024 U.S. Olympic Marathon Trials, where she finished 65th in just her third marathon.

After spending multiple seasons racing consistently in the mid-2:30s, Mimi took a major step forward in Houston, running 2:30:14 and proving what she firmly believes: if you keep racing, the times eventually come. She talks about trusting long-term development, staying patient through plateaus, and learning how to race with confidence rather than chasing a specific outcome.

Looking ahead, Mimi shares her big-picture goals for the next Olympic cycle, how she’s thinking about progress over the next two years, and why embracing the process has been key to her growth as a marathoner. This conversation is a reminder that steady commitment, resilience, and racing instincts still matter in a results-driven sport.

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In this episode of Road to the Trials, Peter Bromka sits down with Hansons-Brooks Project teammates Ethan Gregg and Awet Beraki, two rising marathoners who recently made their debuts in Houston and secured Olympic Trials qualifying times.

Ethan and Awet share what it’s like joining one of the most storied marathon programs in the country, Hansons-Brooks Distance Project, where high mileage, long-term development, and team culture are non-negotiable. They walk through their decision to debut the marathon at Houston, why a “low-key” race mattered for development, and how running side-by-side through 19 miles shaped their race day experience.

The conversation also dives into their very different paths to the same starting line. Ethan reflects on his progression from Division III standout to professional marathoner, while Awet shares his extraordinary journey from Eritrea, through years of displacement and human trafficking, to Colorado Springs, collegiate success, and ultimately a national title at the Division II level.

Together, they talk about the Hansons training philosophy, learning to race patiently, building durability through volume, and why the real focus is not just qualifying, but showing up healthy and ready to compete together at the 2028 Olympic Trials.

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Today on Road to the Trials, we’re sharing a special conversation originally recorded on the Human Performance Outliers podcast with host Zach Bitter.

In this wide-ranging discussion, Peter Bromka reflects on his own Olympic Trials journey, the fine margins of marathon performance, and why storytelling has become such a powerful force in modern running. The conversation explores what it really takes to chase elite goals, how hard work, genetics, and sustainability intersect, and why the marathon remains one of the most demanding and fascinating events in sport.

Peter also dives into the vision behind Road to the Trials, the rise of influencers in endurance sports, and the tension between performance, content, and authenticity in today’s running culture. It’s a thoughtful, honest look at ambition, limits, and what it means to pursue excellence without losing perspective.

This episode originally aired on Human Performance Outliers. We’re grateful to Zach for the conversation and encourage you to check out his show for more deep dives into endurance performance.

In this episode of Road to the Trials, Peter Bromka and Lindsey Hein talk with Lisa Goodin, who ran 2:36 at CIM to qualify for the Olympic Trials Marathon in what she considers her second marathon. Lisa shares how an early, rocky marathon experience in college pushed her away from the distance for years, and how she eventually found her way back through half marathons, postpartum training seasons, and rebuilding consistency as a mom of three.

Lisa is coached by her husband, a kinesiology professor with a deep strength and biomechanics background, and she breaks down how lifting and cross training play a major role in her training. She also walks through her CIM race strategy, including staying controlled, managing the later miles confidently, and finishing feeling like she had more to give. With the qualifier checked off, Lisa looks ahead to chasing faster times and putting real intention into the road to 2028.

In this episode of Road to the Trials, Peter Bromka sits down with Chris Maxon, one of the most intriguing first-time marathoners to emerge this cycle. Chris made his marathon debut at the California International Marathon and finished an eye-opening fifth place. While many runners need time to forget the pain of their first marathon before even considering another, Chris walked away both satisfied and hungry, already thinking about what’s next.

Chris trains in Boulder alongside some of the best marathoners in the world, and he shares how that environment has shaped his approach to the event, from preparation to race execution. He talks candidly about what surprised him in his first marathon, what he thinks he left on the table, and how he’s already framing the next two years as he looks ahead.

Beyond the racing, Chris brings a unique angle to the sport as the self-described “fastest realtor in America,” balancing high-level training with a demanding professional career. This conversation offers a glimpse into the mindset of a young athlete entering the marathon at a high level, the lessons learned from a debut performance, and the ambition driving him forward as he sets his sights on breaking 2:10.

In this episode of Road to the Trials, Lindsey Hein and Peter Bromka sit down with Maddie Block, one of the many women who qualified for the Olympic Trials Marathon at CIM in December. Maddie ran 2:36:27 in what was her fifth marathon, all while balancing life as a third-year medical student.

Maddie’s path to the Olympic Trials standard is anything but linear. She shares how she began her college career as a walk-on at Northern Iowa, later walking on again at Iowa, and how she has truly earned every opportunity she has had in the sport. Her story is one of persistence, patience, and believing in herself even when the path forward was not obvious.

The conversation dives into what it looks like to train at a high level while navigating the demands of medical school, from managing time and fatigue to staying mentally engaged with both running and academics. Maddie opens up about how she structures her life, why consistency has been her greatest strength, and how she has continued to improve year after year.

This is a powerful episode about grit, long-term commitment, and chasing big goals alongside a full and demanding life. Maddie’s journey is a reminder that progress is not always flashy, but it is built through showing up again and again.

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In this episode of Road to the Trials, Peter Bromka and Matt Chittim sit down with Jacob Thomson, a name American distance running fans should know well. A former national champion in the half marathon and a top-10 finisher at the California International Marathon, Jacob has been competing at a high level for more than a decade and continues to evolve as a marathoner.

Based in Flagstaff, Arizona, Jacob is a member of Under Armour Dark Sky Distance and trains alongside a deep and ever-changing group of elite runners. He shares what it is like to build fitness and longevity in one of the most competitive training environments in the country, and how training with such a wide range of athletes has shaped both his approach to racing and his perspective on the sport.

Looking ahead to the 2028 Olympic Trials, Jacob opens up about his goals, his motivation, and why he believes patience and consistency still matter in an era of ever-faster times. This is a thoughtful, wide-ranging episode with an athlete who has seen nearly every side of the sport and is still pushing forward.

This episode is supported by Rocket Money. Rocket Money is the personal finance app that helps you take control of your money without lifting a finger. Track spending, see all accounts in one place, cancel unwanted subscriptions with a tap, and automate savings toward your goals. If you’ve ever wondered “Wait, what am I still paying for?” — Rocket Money will tell you. Get started and let your money work smarter for you at rocketmoney.com/gorun.

This episode of Road to the Trials is one for the books. On Sunday, January 11, Zouhair Talbi ran 2:05 to win the Houston Marathon in a course record, marking a major milestone in a long and steady rise that has already seen him run 2:06 and now firmly establish himself among the world’s top marathoners. Just 30 minutes later, his wife Elizabeth crossed the same finish line in 2:35, securing her own Olympic Trials qualifier for 2028. Two elite performances, one unforgettable morning, and one very busy household.

Zouhair, now a newly minted American citizen, shares what that Houston victory meant to him after years of knocking on the door, and what lies ahead as he becomes eligible to represent the United States in 2027. Elizabeth walks through her own journey, from returning to racing after pregnancy to executing a breakthrough race on the same course, the same day. Together, they reflect on the surreal moment when a cyclist told Elizabeth mid-race that her husband had already won and set the course record, with miles still left for her to run.

This is a joyful and inspiring conversation with one of the fastest couples in the country, a reminder that big performances do not happen in isolation, and that sometimes the most meaningful wins come with a baby in your arms at the end of the day.

Turner Wiley may have flown under the radar for years, but his performance at the Marathon Project made everyone pay attention. After previously running 2:11:59 and quietly qualifying for multiple Olympic Trials as a club runner with Club Northwest in Seattle, Turner delivered a massive breakthrough by finishing second at the Marathon Project in 2:09:27. The result marked a turning point in his career and signaled his arrival as a true contender on the national stage.

In this episode, Turner shares the long arc of his development as a marathoner and why his progress has never been about one big leap, but steady steps taken year after year. He talks about running at the club level for most of his career, building belief through consistent improvement, and what it meant to finally put everything together on race day. Peter frames Turner’s journey as a staircase, with each season adding another step upward, and Turner reflects on how patience and persistence shaped his path.

This is an episode about consistency done right, trusting long-term development, and believing that breakthroughs can come after years of quiet work. Turner’s story is a reminder that progress in the marathon often rewards those who stay committed, even when the spotlight isn’t on them.

We want to thank NOOGS for supporting this episode. NOOGS are sports nutrition chews created by a registered dietitian who wanted a fueling option that actually tasted good and delivered the electrolytes runners need. Designed to fuel both training and race day, NOOGS combine fast carbs, salt, and great flavors that make fueling something to look forward to. Learn more and save 15 percent on your order at noogsnutrition.com with the code RTT15.

Carter Norbo joins Road to the Trials after earning her first Olympic Trials qualifying time at the Marathon Project, running 2:36:25 just over four months postpartum. It is a breakthrough years in the making, built on persistence, patience, and a deep love for the marathon.

Carter ran her first marathon in 2015 at the Chicago Marathon, clocking 2:56, and has since completed more than a dozen marathons. Along the way, she has come heartbreakingly close to the OTQ standard more than once. In 2023, she missed the mark by just 73 seconds at the Dismal Swamp Marathon, running much of the race alone and doing so only four months postpartum after having twins. She followed that with a 2:37:29 at the Chicago Marathon in 2024 before finally breaking through in 2025 with her 2:36:25 performance.

In this conversation, Carter shares what it has looked like to stay committed to long-term goals through multiple postpartum returns, how she has continued to get faster well beyond her college years, and what it means to chase big dreams while raising three kids.

This episode is a powerful look at resilience and consistency, and a reminder that progress does not always follow a straight line. Carter’s story highlights how the Marathon Project continues to provide meaningful opportunities for athletes to pursue their goals and how perseverance can eventually turn near-misses into defining moments.

We want to thank NOOGS for supporting this episode. NOOGS are sports nutrition chews created by a registered dietitian who wanted a fueling option that actually tasted good and delivered the electrolytes runners need. Designed to fuel both training and race day, NOOGS combine fast carbs, salt, and great flavors that make fueling something to look forward to. Learn more and save 15 percent on your order at noogsnutrition.com with the code RTT15.