Sam discusses the historic guilty verdict that was just rendered by a jury against Trump this past week (34 felonies for falsifying business records to cover up hush money payments to Stormy Daniels, all for the purposes of ensuring his illegitimate election in 2016), along with the slew of unhinged fascist threats and rants that have come in the aftermath of the verdict.

Then, as this guilty verdict has in no way stopped his campaign for power again, she talks with two contributors to the June issue of The New Republic titled What American Fascism Would Look Like. Emmanuel Guerisoli discusses his essay The “Day One” Dictatorship (co-authored by Federico Finchelstein). Emmanuel is postdoctoral fellow at the Zolberg Institute on Migration and Mobility at the New School. He can be followed at @emmaGuerisoli.

Then, Francisco Goldman discusses his essay From Texas to Massachusetts: On the border in a fascist America. Francisco is a novelist and journalist. His most recent novel is Monkey Boy, a Pulitzer Prize finalist. He can be followed on ex-Twitter at @PacoGoldman or on Instagram @franciscogoldman.

Mentioned in this episode:

Escalator Redux by Jeff Sharlet (Scenes From a Slow Civil War)

The United States Looks Like a Sick Joke, The Paul Street Report

Trump’s Online MAGA Army Calls Guilty Verdict a Declaration of War by Tess Owen for Wired

Right-Wingers Are Already Promising Vengeance After The Trump Verdict by Matt Shuham and Christopher Mathias for HuffPost

“Make Them Pay”—The Far Right Responds to Trump’s Conviction By Kiera Butler for Mother Jones

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