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In Discussion With - MedicalUpdateOnline

In Discussion With - MedicalUpdateOnline

By MedicalUpdateOnline

Welcome to the 'In Discussion With' podcast. These podcasts are based on our successful series of video interviews brought to you by MedicalUpdateOnline and PharmacyUpdateOnline – interviews where we ask medical experts and key opinion leaders to tell us about key developments and insights in medicine, pharmacy and therapeutics.
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Medicines, nutritional supplements and deprescribing

In Discussion With - MedicalUpdateOnlineOct 07, 2024
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Can pharmacy-driven medication reconciliation reduce errors and improve patient safety?

Can pharmacy-driven medication reconciliation reduce errors and improve patient safety?

In Discussion With - Ann Marie Goacher


We spoke to Dr Rita Shane about why medication reconciliation should be done by pharmacy staff and how they made this happen in California.


Topics:

  • Introduction, titles & roles
  • What triggered the med rec project?
  • What is a Medical Assistant
  • Transitions and the ‘poly’ problem
  • Collecting the evidence
  • Med rec at admission?
  • The business case for med rec
  • Getting buy-in for med rec
  • Driving the legislation for med rec
  • Measuring the impact
  • High-risk patients
  • Med rec on discharge
  • A national requirement


To watch the full video series, visit our website - https://medicalupdateonline.com/in-discussion-with/rita-shane/


This interview was recorded on 11/02/2026.

Mar 04, 202637:16
Fluocinolone implants for uveitis – sight-saving and treatment-sparing

Fluocinolone implants for uveitis – sight-saving and treatment-sparing

In Discussion With - Ann Marie Goacher


We spoke to Ann Marie Goacher about the use of intravitreal fluocinolone implants for uveitis.


Topics:

  • What is uveitis?
  • How is uveitis treated?
  • Fluocinolone implants for uveitis
  • How intravitreal implants work in uveitis
  • How do intravitreal implants feel?
  • Audit of implants in uveitis
  • Audit findings
  • Adverse effects of implants
  • Audit conclusions
  • Refining the audit
  • Is uveitis bilateral?
  • Getting started in ophthalmology
  • Why specialise in ophthalmology?


To watch the full video series, visit our website - https://medicalupdateonline.com/in-discussion-with/ann-marie-goacher/


This interview was recorded on 19/01/2026.

Feb 11, 202621:36
Daridorexant - transforming insomnia management

Daridorexant - transforming insomnia management

In Discussion With - John Donoghue


We spoke to John Donoghue about the management of insomnia and how this might be transformed by the use of a dual orexin receptor antagonist.


Topics:

  • Introduction, titles & roles
  • What is insomnia?
  • Impact of insomnia
  • Insomnia and mortality
  • Insomnia management guidelines
  • Sleepio and Sleepstation apps
  • CBT for insomnia
  • Medicines for insomnia
  • The case for eszopiclone
  • Eszopiclone vs zopiclone
  • How melatonin works
  • OTC melatonin?
  • Other medicines for insomnia
  • Orexin and DORAs
  • Daridorexant approved by NICE
  • Daridorexant - the evidence
  • Cost of daridorexant
  • Managing insomnia in the pharmacy


To watch the full video series, visit our website - https://medicalupdateonline.com/in-discussion-with/john-donoghue/


This interview was recorded on 26/11/2025.

Jan 21, 202601:02:46
Demystifying menopause: expert insights from Dr Louise Newson

Demystifying menopause: expert insights from Dr Louise Newson

In Discussion With - Louise Newson


We spoke to Dr Louise Newson about some of the trickier questions that come up in discussions about management of the menopause and perimenopause.


Topics:

  • HRT and breast cancer risk
  • HRT and past breast cancer
  • HRT and the BRCA gene
  • What is genito-urinary syndrome?
  • Do Neurokinin RAs have a place in menopause care?
  • Can you be too old for HRT?
  • 2024 NICE guidelines on menopause
  • Individualised menopause care?
  • Where to find menopause information
  • What makes Newson Health different?


To watch the full interview, visit our website - https://medicalupdateonline.com/in-discussion-with/louise-newson/


This interview was recorded on 19/09/2025.

Nov 05, 202522:15
Female Hormone Deficiency: A new framework for menopause management

Female Hormone Deficiency: A new framework for menopause management

In Discussion With - Louise Newson


We spoke to Dr Louise Newson about management of the menopause and perimenopause.


Topics:

  • Introduction, titles & roles
  • Menopause symptoms
  • Prevalence of symptoms
  • Impact of symptoms
  • Effects of female hormones
  • Benefits of HRT
  • HRT and CVS
  • Prescribing of HRT
  • Antidepressants and menopause
  • HRT and reduced libido
  • Ideal approach to hormone deficiency
  • Menopause management training


To watch the full video series, visit our website - https://medicalupdateonline.com/in-discussion-with/louise-newson/


This interview was recorded on 19/09/2025.

Oct 22, 202533:08
Pharmacist-led menopause clinics in the NHS

Pharmacist-led menopause clinics in the NHS

In Discussion With - Anthony Singh


We spoke to Anthony Singh about pharmacist-led menopause clinics in the NHS – a service that featured as a ‘trailblazer’ at the recent Royal pharmaceutical Society regional conference in Birmingham.


Topics:

  • Introduction, titles & roles
  • What is the Women’s Health Hub?
  • Menopause clinics
  • Accessing the clinic
  • Use of testosterone
  • NICE guidance for testosterone
  • Testosterone products
  • How digital tech supports clinics
  • Building on patient feedback
  • Achievements of the menopause clinics
  • Impact on mental health
  • NHS menopause clinics
  • Community engagement
  • Feedback from patients and staff
  • NHS Clinical Entrepreneur Programme
  • Unmet menopause service needs
  • Next steps for the menopause service
  • Message for frontline staff


To watch the full video series, visit our website - https://medicalupdateonline.com/in-discussion-with/anthony-singh/


This interview was recorded on 04/09/2025.

Sep 24, 202542:09
Enhancing cancer care: The Maggie's model of tailored support and partnership

Enhancing cancer care: The Maggie's model of tailored support and partnership

In Discussion With - Dame Laura Lee


We spoke to Dame Laura Lee about the work of Maggie’s cancer caring centres.


Topics:

  • Introduction, titles & roles
  • How did Maggie’s start?
  • Maggie’s vision & drive
  • Support from Maggie’s
  • Accessing Maggie’s support
  • Maggies and other cancer charities
  • Funding for Maggie’s
  • Fund-raising activities
  • Changing cancer landscape
  • Specialist nurse to charity CEO
  • Recruitment for Maggie’s
  • Future plans for Maggie’s
  • Message for healthcare staff


To watch the full video series, visit our website - https://pharmacyupdate.online/category/in-discussion-with/laura-lee/


This interview was recorded on 28/07/2025.

Aug 13, 202528:08
Tackling the scandal of unacceptably high death rates in schizophrenia

Tackling the scandal of unacceptably high death rates in schizophrenia

In Discussion With - John Donoghue


We spoke to John Donoghue about the extraordinarily high death rates in schizophrenia and how they might be tackled.


Topics:

  • Starting in mental health
  • Medicines in Mental Health Ltd
  • What is schizophrenia?
  • Premature mortality
  • Factors contributing to premature mortality
  • Role of cardiovascular disease
  • Risk factors and comorbidities
  • Cardiometabolic side effects
  • NICE schizophrenia guideline
  • Lester cardiometabolic resource
  • Benefits vs risks of anti-psychotics
  • Role of clozapine
  • Clozapine safety
  • Benefits of anti-psychotics
  • 2nd vs 1st generation anti-psychotics
  • Research findings
  • How should anti-psychotics be used?
  • NICE update required?
  • A new approach to treatment
  • Effective schizophrenia management
  • A pharmacy career in mental health?


To watch the full video series, visit our website - https://medicalupdateonline.com/in-discussion-with/john-donoghue/


This interview was recorded on 17/06/2025.

Jul 14, 202501:08:08
Biologics and homecare in rheumatology pharmacy

Biologics and homecare in rheumatology pharmacy

In Discussion With - Kalveer Flora


We spoke to Kalveer Flora about the use of biologics and biosimilars in the management of rheumatoid arthritis.


Topics:

  • Getting started in rheumatology clinics
  • Biologics in rheumatology
  • Biosimilars’ impact
  • Biologic vs biosimilar
  • Biosimilars & sustainability
  • bDMARD dose reduction
  • Homecare in rheumatology
  • The rheumatology pharmacist
  • Patient feedback
  • Tips for success
  • A career in rheumatology pharmacy?


To watch the full video series, visit our website - https://medicalupdateonline.com/in-discussion-with/kalveer-flora/


This interview was recorded on 20/05/2025.

Jun 04, 202519:37
Revolutionising medication distribution: Oulu University Hospital's smart unit dose system

Revolutionising medication distribution: Oulu University Hospital's smart unit dose system

In Discussion With - Jaakko Mustakallio


We spoke to Jaakko Mustakallio about designing and implementing a unit-dose medicines distribution system for a smart hospital.


Topics:

  • Oulu University Hospital
  • The smart hospital
  • The goal of automation
  • Why have a unit dose system?
  • Benefits of a unit dose system
  • Unit dose system in practice
  • The pneumatic tube system
  • Packaging and storage robots
  • ‘Rings’ of patient-specific doses
  • How many robots?
  • Space requirements for robots
  • What can be packed?
  • Packing of ampoules
  • Packing of liquid oral doses
  • Just-in-time delivery
  • As-required doses
  • Topping up as-required doses
  • Waste with a unit dose system
  • Sustainable packaging
  • Implementation timeline
  • What does ward staff think?
  • Who else is involved?
  • Why did you choose Sinteco?
  • How will you measure success?


To watch the full video series, visit our website - https://medicalupdateonline.com/2025/04/revolutionising-medication-distribution-oulu-university-hospitals-smart-unit-dose-system/


This interview was recorded on 17/03/2025.

Apr 22, 202523:40
Tackling polypharmacy in rheumatology clinics

Tackling polypharmacy in rheumatology clinics

In Discussion With - Hilary McKee


We spoke to Hilary McKee about tackling polypharmacy in rheumatology clinics.


Topics:

  • Getting started in rheumatology
  • Polypharmacy problems
  • Prescribing cascades
  • Methotrexate safety concerns
  • Cannabis in rheumatology
  • Medication adherence
  • Polypharmacy and the greener NHS
  • Biological DMARDs
  • Reducing DMARD dosage
  • Clinical case challenges
  • Off-label prescribing
  • Role of rheumatology pharmacist
  • Tips for success
  • Opportunities in rheumatology


To watch the full video series, visit our website - https://medicalupdateonline.com/2025/04/tackling-polypharmacy-in-rheumatology-clinics/


This interview was recorded on 11/02/2025.

Apr 02, 202521:43
GLP-1 RAs – where are we now? What have we learned?

GLP-1 RAs – where are we now? What have we learned?

In Discussion With - Deborah Evans


We spoke to Deborah Evans about GLP-1 receptor agonists – the fat jabs – and what we have learned over the past 12-18 months.


Topics:

  • Are GLP-1 RAs easy & safe for weight loss?
  • Differences - semaglutide vs. tirzepatide
  • Side-effects of GLP-1 RAs
  • Serious side-effects of GLP-1 RAs
  • How to get GLP-1 RAs
  • GLP-1 RAs via the NHS
  • Additional support for patients
  • Incorrect GLP-1 RA prescribing
  • Counterfeit GLP-1 RAs
  • Short-term use of GLP-1 RAs?
  • Should you take GLP-1 RAs for life?
  • Risks of sarcopaenia and osteoporosis
  • Dose optimisation
  • Tolerability variations
  • Dose individualisation
  • GLP-1 RA drug switching
  • GLP-1 RA non-responders
  • Starting GLP-1 RAs – what to expect
  • Do we eat too much?
  • Value of GLP-1 RA weight loss
  • Possible anaesthetic risk


To watch the full video series, visit our website - https://medicalupdateonline.com/2025/03/glp-1-ras-where-are-we-now-what-have-we-learned/

This interview was recorded on 06/02/2025.

Mar 17, 202548:20
Launching a hospital pharmacy drone delivery service for underserved communities

Launching a hospital pharmacy drone delivery service for underserved communities

In Discussion With - Cindy Williams


We spoke to Cindy Williams about launching a hospital pharmacy drone delivery service for underserved communities.


Topics:

  • Could a drone delivery service for medicines improve healthcare?
  • Challenging logistics of a drone delivery service for medicines
  • How does a drone delivery service for medicines work in practice?
  • What are the next steps for drone delivery of medicines?


This interview was recorded on 27/01/2025.


To watch the full video series, visit our website - https://medicalupdateonline.com/in-discussion-with/cindy-williams/

Feb 17, 202541:31
Implementing innovative clinical pharmacy services to improve patient care in Northern Ireland

Implementing innovative clinical pharmacy services to improve patient care in Northern Ireland

In Discussion With - Cathy Harrison


We spoke to Professor Cathy Harrison about implementing innovative clinical pharmacy services across a health system - from getting the funding to measuring the impact.


Topics:

  • Developments in healthcare – the background for new pharmacy services in Northern Ireland
  • How innovative clinical pharmacy services were funded and implemented in Northern Ireland
  • How new pharmacy services saved £20 million per year in Northern Ireland
  • Positioning pharmacy in Northern Ireland to make the most of independent prescribing


This interview was recorded on 22/11/2024.


To watch the full video series, visit our website - https://medicalupdateonline.com/in-discussion-with/cathy-harrison/

Jan 20, 202536:04
Making sense of EC guidance for safe management of hazardous medicinal products

Making sense of EC guidance for safe management of hazardous medicinal products

In Discussion With - Paul Sessink & Birgit Tans


We spoke to Paul Sessink & Birgit Tans about safe handling of hazardous medicinal products – in particular what the guidance says and how this is translated into practice.


Topics:

  1. Why some medicinal products can be hazardous
  2. What the EC guidance tells us about handling hazardous medicinal products
  3. How much contamination is too much in the workplace?
  4. How to make the EC guidance work in practice
  5. Case study – responding to a large hazardous spillage


This interview was recorded on 12/11/2024 (Sessink) & 19/11/2024 (Tans).


To watch the full video series, visit our website - https://medicalupdateonline.com/in-discussion-with/paul-sessink-birgit-tans/

Dec 08, 202443:04
Syringe lubricants - a little-known aspect of injection preparation

Syringe lubricants - a little-known aspect of injection preparation

In Discussion With - Philip Chennell


We spoke to Philip Chennell about choosing the best syringe for intravitreal bevacizumab injections.


Topics:

  1. Why syringe type matters for intravitreal injections
  2. How the syringe lubricant interacts with the drug inside it
  3. Why ready-to-administer syringes improve clinical care


This interview was recorded on 06/11/2024


To watch the full video series, visit our website - https://medicalupdateonline.com/in-discussion-with/philip-chennell/

Nov 21, 202416:19
Medicines, nutritional supplements and deprescribing

Medicines, nutritional supplements and deprescribing

In Discussion With - Lisa Jamieson


We spoke to Lisa Jamieson about nutritional supplements, medicines and deprescribing – and how these all fit together.


Topics:

  1. How diet and nutrition impact health
  2. Is magnesium a forgotten nutrient?
  3. Why the omega-3/omega-6 fatty acid balance is critical
  4. How much vitamin D do you really need?
  5. Could a good diet and supplements reduce the need for medication?


This interview was recorded on 20/09/2024


To watch the full video series, visit our website - https://medicalupdateonline.com/in-discussion-with/lisa-jamieson/

Oct 07, 202437:19
Opioid dose tapering before hip or knee surgery

Opioid dose tapering before hip or knee surgery

In Discussion With - Shania Liu & Jonathan Penm


We spoke to Shania Liu and Jonathan Penm about their research into opioid dose tapering before hip or knee surgery.


Topics:

  1. Why is opioid use before hip or knee replacement a problem?
  2. How OpioidHALT tackles pre-operative opioid use
  3. What the OpioidHALT pilot study tells us
  4. Why pharmacists should manage pre-operative opioid use


This interview was recorded on 03/09/2024


To watch the full video series, visit our website - https://medicalupdateonline.com/category/in-discussion-with/shania-liu-jonathan-penm/

Sep 16, 202422:40
Differential diagnosis for non-medical prescribers, nurses and pharmacists

Differential diagnosis for non-medical prescribers, nurses and pharmacists

In Discussion With - Paul Rutter


We spoke to Paul Rutter about differential diagnosis and clinical reasoning for non-medical prescribers.


Topics:

  1. Why community pharmacists need skills in differential diagnosis
  2. How clinical reasoning underpins effective consultations
  3. Clinical reasoning – the challenge of moving from novice to expert


This interview was recorded on 02/08/2024


To watch the full video series, visit our website - https://medicalupdateonline.com/in-discussion-with/paul-rutter/

Aug 18, 202422:39
Developing a pharmacist-led outpatient pulmonary embolism pathway

Developing a pharmacist-led outpatient pulmonary embolism pathway

In Discussion With - Kieron Power


We spoke to Kieron Power about a pharmacist-led pulmonary embolism pathway that has delivered excellent results.


Topics:

  1. Pulmonary embolism – what patients experience
  2. How are high and low-risk pulmonary embolisms diagnosed and managed?
  3. How the pulmonary embolism pathway ensures consistent decision-making
  4. What impact has the pulmonary embolism pathway had?
  5. How to establish a sustainable pulmonary embolism service


This interview was recorded on 28/06/2024


To watch the full video series, visit our website - hhttps://medicalupdateonline.com/in-discussion-with/kieron-power/

Jul 22, 202433:06
Pharmacy services in paediatrics and neonatology

Pharmacy services in paediatrics and neonatology

In Discussion With - Steve Tomlin


We spoke to Steve Tomlin about pharmacy services in paediatrics and neonatology.


Topics:

  1. Why neonatology pharmacy is fascinating and demanding
  2. The challenges of parenteral feeding for pre-term babies
  3. How standardisation of pharmaceutical products helps in neonatology
  4. What does a consultant neonatal pharmacist do?


This interview was recorded on 08/05/2024


To watch the full video series, visit our website - https://medicalupdateonline.com/in-discussion-with/steve-tomlin/

Jun 09, 202440:05
Asthma – current management

Asthma – current management

In Discussion With - Dr Anna Murphy DPharm


We spoke to Dr Anna Murphy about how pharmacists can help to improve the care of patients with asthma.


Topics:

  1. Asthma and why it causes deaths in the UK
  2. Biologics and working with patients
  3. Where do pharmacists work in respiratory medicine?
  4. Making the case for respiratory pharmacists
  5. Reasons to be a respiratory pharmacist


This interview was recorded on 27/05/22


To watch the full video series, visit our website - https://medicalupdateonline.com/in-discussion-with/dr-anna-murphy/

May 24, 202424:35
Delirium - triggers and treatments

Delirium - triggers and treatments

In Discussion With - Dr Cathrine A McKenzie


We spoke to Dr Cathrine McKenzie about delirium – what it is, what causes it and how we can treat it.


Topics:

  1. Delirium and why it's a problem
  2. Risk factors and triggers for delirium
  3. Treatment options for delirium
  4. What can pharmacists contribute to delirium management?


This interview was recorded on 07/06/2022


To watch the full video series, visit our website - https://medicalupdateonline.com/in-discussion-with/dr-cathrine-mckenzie/

May 23, 202429:43
How primary care pharmacy could help the NHS work more effectively

How primary care pharmacy could help the NHS work more effectively

In Discussion With - Professor Ashok Soni


We spoke to Ashok Soni OBE about how primary care pharmacy could help the NHS work more effectively.


Topics:

  1. Why pharmacists should manage repeat prescriptions
  2. Getting Serious Shortage Protocols (SSPs) to work
  3. Reducing harm from medicines and improving the patient experience
  4. Integrating community pharmacy and primary care


This interview was recorded on 12/01/2023


To watch the full video series, visit our website - https://medicalupdateonline.com/in-discussion-wit\h/professor-ashok-soni-obe/

May 22, 202433:05
Clinical pharmacy practice in dermatology

Clinical pharmacy practice in dermatology

In Discussion With - Kläre Bryant BSc


Kläre Bryant is an advanced clinical pharmacist who has been holding clinics for dermatology patients receiving biologics and other systemic treatments for more than nine years. We spoke to her to find out more about her work.


Topics:

  1. What a specialist dermatology pharmacist can offer
  2. Working with patients with skin conditions
  3. Clinical pharmacy services in the dermatology biologics clinic
  4. Opportunities for pharmacists in dermatology


This interview was recorded on 31/03/22


To watch the full video series, visit our website - https://medicalupdateonline.com/in-discussion-with/klare-bryant/

May 21, 202425:48
Pharmacogenomics and personalised medicine in practice

Pharmacogenomics and personalised medicine in practice

In Discussion With - Dr Raliat Onatade


Pharmacogenomics and personalised medicine are increasingly becoming a part of mainstream healthcare and it is an area where pharmacists have a major part to play.


Topics:

  1. The added value of pharmacogenomics to prescribing
  2. How does pharmacogenomics work in day-to-day practice?
  3. The challenges of developing pharmacogenomic services


This interview was recorded on 18/05/2023


To watch the full video series, visit our website - https://medicalupdateonline.com/in-discussion-with/dr-raliat-onatade/

May 07, 202425:04
Evidence-based approaches to penicillin allergy de-labelling

Evidence-based approaches to penicillin allergy de-labelling

In Discussion With - Neil Powell


Neil Powell combines the roles of consultant antimicrobial pharmacist and clinical researcher at the Royal Cornwall Hospital in Truro. He describes the rationale for removal of erroneous penicillin allergy labels and the quest for effective methods


Topics:

  1. Why penicillin allergy labels might be a bad thing
  2. What the PALACE study tells us about penicillin allergy de-labelling
  3. Could penicillin allergy de-labelling lead to better outcomes?
  4. What does a consultant antimicrobial pharmacist do?


This interview was recorded on 12/10/2023


To watch the full video series, visit our website - https://medicalupdateonline.com/in-discussion-with/neil-powell/

May 07, 202425:53
The relationship between autoimmune disease and vitamin D

The relationship between autoimmune disease and vitamin D

In Discussion With - Martin Hewison


Martin Hewison, Professor of Molecular Endocrinology at the University of Birmingham. For the past 30 years he has been engaged in research into vitamin D ranging from molecular biology to clinical usage.


Topics:

  1. Vitamin D: endocrine, intracrine and paracrine functions
  2. Vitamin D and auto-immune disease
  3. Why do people become vitamin D deficient?
  4. The impact of vitamin D on auto-immune disease
  5. Vitamin D: where we are now?


This interview was recorded on 01/11/22


To watch the full video series, visit our website - https://medicalupdateonline.com/in-discussion-with/professor-martin-hewison/

May 07, 202437:53
Deprescribing to optimise drug therapy

Deprescribing to optimise drug therapy

In Discussion With - Debi Bhattacharya


Debi Bhattacharya is Professor of Behavioural Medicine at the University of Leicester, UK. As a former primary care pharmacist, she has experience of both practice and research into deprescribing.


Topics:

  1. Deprescribing – reactive and proactive
  2. Barriers and enablers for deprescribing
  3. CHARMER – a different kind of deprescribing intervention study


This interview was recorded on 13/04/2023


To watch the full video series, visit our website - https://medicalupdateonline.com/2023/04/deprescribing-to-optimise-drug-therapy/

May 07, 202418:23
Pharmacy First – Early experiences

Pharmacy First – Early experiences

In Discussion With - Reena Barai Reena Barai is a community pharmacist and owner of the family business, SG Barai Pharmacy in Sutton in Surrey. In this series of short videos, she describes how she and her team prepared for and implemented Pharmacy First Services and how the first few weeks turned out.


Topics:

  1. What is the Pharmacy First Scheme and how can pharmacies get started?
  2. Practicalities – what worked well in Pharmacy First
  3. Pharmacy First – where is it going next?


This interview was recorded on 11/03/2024


To watch the full video series, visit our website - https://medicalupdateonline.com/in-discussion-with/reena-barai/

Apr 29, 202421:06
Developing pharmacy services for menopause management

Developing pharmacy services for menopause management

In Discussion With - Deborah Evans

Deborah Evans is a pharmacist and independent prescriber who specialises in women’s reproductive and sexual health, including the menopause. She owns and runs Remedi Health, an independent pharmacy and healthcare clinic in Winchester. In this podcast, she describes the menopause clinic and the guiding principles behind it.


Topics:

  1. How menopause affects women and why we should offer treatment
  2. How the benefits of hormone replacement therapy outweigh the risks
  3. Why you could add testosterone to menopause treatment
  4. Choosing a transdermal oestrogen and tackling genitourinary syndrome of menopause
  5. Tips for building a successful pharmacy menopause service


This interview was recorded on 04/04/2024


To watch the full video series, visit our website - https://medicalupdateonline.com/in-discussion-with/deborah-evans/


Apr 25, 202445:32